conservative spaces shouldn't need moderates to balance out their toxicity and crazy when left on their own, they simply shouldn't be toxic and crazy. why do they need their hand held? it gets defederated quickly because THEY always quickly turn their spaces into pure hate, and they choose to spread that. that's on them, not us.
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rist097@lemmy.world 10 months agoI think they would be more moderate if more moderate people would have opportunity to participate. Right now all of the non left instances or communities get too quickly defederated and deleted, so moderate people who would normally participate dont want to create na account on a completely defederated instance. The only thing you are left of there are some crazies.
euphoria@kbin.social 10 months ago
FelipeFelop@discuss.online 10 months ago
I get what you’re saying. There’s a mindset in the fediverse that everyone on an instance is responsible for it. Even if the bad actors join later. The instance gets defederated but as a user it can be really hard to know if your instance is defederated.
It’s a deeply unpopular opinion and anyone who suggests that federation is simultaneously a huge advance and a big problem seems to get downvoted.
You’re right, ultimately instead of being exposed to a range of views some of which are challenging we’ll end up in little echo chambers.
We need more moderation and less defederation.
phillaholic@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I’m fine being in an echo chamber that Trans people deserve human rights. That’s a hill I’m willing to die on. If you disagree, you can stay out of my bubble, I’m not negotiating this point.
_thisdot@infosec.pub 10 months ago
This. If they identify as humans, they deserve human rights
FelipeFelop@discuss.online 10 months ago
I haven’t mentioned anything about Trans people at all ? There’s nothing to negotiate and I don’t agree that trans people have a right to be treated with respect and have their rights respected.
phillaholic@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It’s the hot topic of the moment for conservatives, particularly the ones that are getting banned from public sites. Other than that, it’s all culture war shit like abortion, immigration, border walls, etc that all go into xenophobia, misogamy, racism, antisemitism etc. I haven’t seen any real conservative ideas in a decade. Now it’s all a grift. You either have a old idea of what conservative is or just aren’t saying it out loud. Even when Republicans cut taxes, they cut them massively for the rich and give the middle class and poor pennies. Any time someone wants to put more money in lower classes pockets they fabricate some bullshit to block it (Student Loan Forgiveness, Stimulus Checks) all a while giving Businesses Billions and removing oversight (PPP Loans).
Hobbes@startrek.website 10 months ago
There’s a difference between being exposed to a range of views and being exposed to hatred.
FelipeFelop@discuss.online 10 months ago
And that’s were moderation (the act of moderation) comes in as a first step rather than instant defederation.
Hobbes@startrek.website 10 months ago
r/conservative mods handed out bans for anyone even asking a legit question. Conservative arguments aren’t fact based, so any good faith argument is seen as an attack and the only defense is to reject it outright. I don’t know how good moderation can be applied to that.
PsychedSy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m socially pretty left but a voluntarist and it feels pretty hostile. Even socially moderate or liberal cons will feel pretty bad. I’m just used to chillin’ in left spaces so it’s whatever.
Jimbo@yiffit.net 10 months ago
Well, the conservatives in those communities could try being less horrible pieces of shit and not bring hate to minority spaces, but that’s probably too much to ask
Puppy@kbin.social 10 months ago
Remember when being conservative meant you wanted lower tax?
Now it's a competition to see who's going to say the most toxic stuff and who can become the biggest piece of trash a human being can be
"I LOVE RUSSIA TRUMP IS MY GOD FUCK LGBTS ALL TRANS ARE PEDOPHILE SOROS BILL GATES WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE FAUCI OBAMA BUT HER EMAILS BUT HIS LAPTOPS BUD LITE WOKE WOKE"
like holy shit, calm down a bit...
irmoz@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Conservatism has always been that
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
In America maybe, although I doubt that.
mayo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That was like 15 years ago as I remember it. Being a conservative was about being a fiscal responsibility, and there was an expectation that we were all moving in the same direction socially. Now it’s all messed up.
retrieval4558@mander.xyz 10 months ago
It’s been the same since the Nixon era, they’re just more mask off about it now.
Clent@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Give hate a chance!