Everyone knows meat is bad
The hell are you talking about? Meat is awesome, probably one of the best things.
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drmoose@lemmy.world 4 months ago
100% it’s just cognative dissonance. Everyone knows meat is bad but most can’t come to terms that they’re too weak to quit it. This is especially painful when people are confronted directly and a self-defence mechanism kicks in.
It’s ok to be a bit weak sometimes, everyone has a lot of going and has to choose their battles. Our culture hates to acknowledge this.
tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 4 months ago
ZMoney@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah see here you go. Response to “meat is bad” is “meat is fucking awesome.”
Evidence for meat is bad: I mean just drive by a factory farm. Look at any of the standard practices of the industry. Objectively horrific by any standard.
Evidence for meat is awesome: bro check out this sick bacon weave. Guy Fieri. Etc. all of it divorced completely from the process, and acknowledging meat only as an industrial product that comes packaged as a block or cylinder.
It’s an absurd argument. Nobody is arguing that meat isn’t delicious. We’re saying that everything about its production is awful.
drmoose@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah - no one who’s seen industrial meat farming would say it’s OK. Ever. You’d have to be a psychopath to justify this level of cruelty or distance yourself cognitively by justifying it.
jnk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I’m not against vegans, but where the hell did you read that meat is bad? You can have an opinion, but that’s just not a fact. Period.
If you go and tell people they are “weak” and they “100% just have cognitive dissonance” for not accepting a hot take as a fact, how do you expect anything but people confronting you? You can’t expect civilized discussions if you literally open by disrespecting the other party and dismissing anything they might argue ;-;
drmoose@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Because it is a fact that ethically speaking meat is extremely cruel. You’re proving my point exactly.
jnk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I love how you just went “HAHA, CHECKMATE ANIMAL GENOCIDES” out of nowhere. This is why you get hate, you don’t know what a fact or a point is, and your ethics are weak. Just explain why a) you need to do diet gymnastics and take supplements to avoid animal products if they are so bad and b) are you implying every carnivore and omnivore animal is a monster?
As i said, you do you, but be coherent and respectful. I respect vegans, morons are harder.
drmoose@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Because we no monkey. No need unnecessary cruelty to live. Simple enough?
VoilaChihuahua@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It was an abrasive statement, but as a vegetarian who still loves cheese and eggs, there is a lot of truth in it. Much US large-scale farming harms the animals, workers, and environment. The animal feed land could be used for crops. Eating primarily meat and little else is not nutritionally complete. Large swaths of the rainforest are cut down to raise beef cattle. End of the day you are unnecessarily killing an innocent creature because it tastes good. People don’t want to hear these things, they want a bacon double double. They want waygu. That’s the cognitive dissonance that makes people mad. Again, I eat eggs that aren’t always ethically sourced and who knows about my delicious cheese, but I’m not getting up in arms trying to claim I’m still a great person when I’m wrist deep in queso.
jnk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Thanks, this is what i was talking about. I think i eat a healthy amount of meat, mostly white ones because of health and because istg chickens in specific have no souls. Most argumens you used can actually be outweighed by “i just like meat a lot”, which is fine, but they are still relevant to choose what meat. I mean compare, in terms of ethics, health, sustainability, and even taste a McDonald’s and a halal butcher shop.
What i try to say is that respect is just as important, if not more, than ethics; and you need both along with a little bit of reading to get a balanced point of view.
…Biggest problem is I’m broke af and bad meat is cheaper than good meat and no meat, ethics are a luxury not everyone can afford 🥲
rudyharrelson@kbin.social 4 months ago
I mean, the meat industry is factually bad for the environment at its current scale. That's not really in dispute, is it?
jnk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Nope, they said meat itself is bad, which is factually incorrect. The industry sucks in many ways tho, and not only to the environment lol