There is no life without death. In order to feed vegans, countless insects must die. In order for agriculture to exist in any form, we must wage war against nature (and win). For example, coconut oil is a terrible vegan product. If vegans are complacent about killing insects and ravaging natural habitats, why not kill and eat crustaceans and mollusks - they’re not all that different in terms of neurons. We can keep stepping up the level of consciousness - fish, etc… when does it become unacceptable?

The next question I would ask, is whether death is always equal to suffering. Death can be painless. Some vegans don’t eat honey because many honey bees are treated horribly. What if they’re not? Also, if you feel that way as a vegan, you shouldn’t eat anything pollinated by bees (try not to starve). Some animals have good lives and painless deaths. If there’s no financially viable market for animal products of happy animals (by vegan boycotting), we’ll be left with only industrial animal agriculture. Do you think a deer would rather be ripped apart by a puma, hit by a car, shot by a bullet, or become elderly and senile - abandoned by the herd to die alone in a field, picked apart by buzzards. Nature is brutal as fuck. Death by human is not the worst outcome for many animals.

The final thing I’d assert is that animal agriculture has an important role in the overall food system. Pigs, cows, and chickens are fed a lot of agricultural byproducts, like spent brewing grains or corn stalks, and their manure is used as non-petroleum fertilizer. Many animals are raised on land that is too hilly and rocky to farm any other way. Our industrial food system is like a artificial ecosystem of its own. Each piece of the industrial food web has a role, and you can’t simply remove all the animals - you’d be overwhelmed with green waste, reliant on petroleum fertilizer, and many would go hungry.

Ethical veganism is idiotic because it places human morality onto nature. It’s a child-like misunderstanding of the real world. The reality is that for you to be fed, the natural world will suffer. Don’t draw a line in the sand and think you’re living a better life. You’re an ostrich with your head buried in sand.

Freeganism on the other hand, is something we could use a lot more of (25-50% more). The only thing worse than raping and killing animals to feed ourselves, is that there’s so much abundance that we throw a lot of it in the trash. Freegans understand the real crime against nature is food waste.