The abusive thing was to not deport them sooner.
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PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 6 months agoExactly. That’s why it’s abusive. It’d be like sending a random conservative to Hungary. Though CPAC attendees may love Hungary, I doubt they’d like to be sent there forcefully when they identify as an American through and through.
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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 6 months ago
It’s not an apt comparison.
It is not sending a random person to a random country.
It is sending a citizen of that country back to their country.
One can agree or disagree with doing it, but it isn’t a random person being sent to a random country.
If we want to get particular, it is the right thing to do under international law.
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 6 months ago
When you say “their” country, what do you mean?
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 6 months ago
The country of their origin and citizenship. You don’t identify as an American; you ARE an American.
They were not born here, and their parents were not citizens. They are not citizens of American.
If they are deported, they are being sent back to their rightful country. The one that can issue them a passport.
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 6 months ago
The only reason I’m a citizen of American is because of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution:
That is, the law of the U.S. defines my status as a citizen of the U.S. by virtue of my being born here.
Still, there are four other ways to become a citizen of the U.S.
These pathways are all outlined in various laws.
Again, the status of immigrants who are now citizens is determined by law.
I said earlier that “the ‘We support a legal path to citizenship for immigrants that go through the proper channels’ people do not, in fact, support a legal path to citizenship for them”. That is, Republicans generally refused to grant citizenship to immigrants by passing the DREAM Act. In their inability to govern, they did not pass a law.
You make it seem as if citizenship is an inherent characteristic of being born in the U.S. It is not. Repeal the 14th Amendment, and birthright citizenship goes away. Change the immigration laws, and lesser or greater numbers of immigrants can be granted citizenship. You’re right, “They are not citizens of America.” But they could have been (and could be) at the stroke of pen. It is the law that determines citizenship. While I’m both an American citizen and identify as American, dreamers only identify as American. It’s only because of xenophobia that dreamers are not citizens.