Comment on [Serious] Why do so many people seem to hate veganism?

• andyburke@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Can you explain what's wrong with this argument? As a relatively disinterested observer it seems reasonable to me.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Being Vegan is a choice for yourself, and saying it doesn’t help to try to make a difference unless everybody does it is also stupid.
    So the argument is based on no less than obvious 2 fallacies.

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    • andyburke@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I'll say that this reaction does nothing to make me think you are approaching this with any objectivity.

      The argument, to me, seems to be that it's impossible in the modern world as things stand to actually totally avoid animal products. That would seem like an issue that Veganism should be concerned with.

      I see your point, I think, about it being an individual choice. But though I have heard of things like vegan shoes, I can see how saying those are vegan when you may not control all the inputs seems problematic.

      Regardless, your response was so unpleasant that I don't think I'm much interested in continuing.

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      • Inui@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Veganism has never been about avoiding all animal products 100%. Only as far as possible.

        To put it another way, would you feel responsible if the person who installed your solar panels drove an oversized truck on their personal life?

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      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah no reason to go to the moon if we can’t visit other planets yet. That’s the kind of logic you are arguing.
        The vegan argument is to not contribute to animal suffering, you can’t control what other people do.
        And avoiding suffering doesn’t help because there will still be suffering is about as stupid as it gets.

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  • Inui@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Because its not within any one vegans control whether a random factory worker has chicken for lunch. If there were businesses that only hired vegans and sold vegan products (there are, but very few), then vegans would obviously be buying things from there instead. If someone who isn’t vegan themselves uses this impossible purity test as an excuse not to make changes themselves, then they weren’t genuine about making any attempt in the first place.

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• Nougat@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If you're okay with compartmentalizing that out of the production of goods and services you use, that's a you thing.

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  • Inui@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Why is it reasonable to expect me to have any control over what a factory worker is eating? There are entirely vegan businesses, but its setting up a ridiculous goal post to claim vegans are somehow hypocritical by not having a 100% vegan production chain as a consumer, which is literally impossible in the current world. If we could, we absolutely would. But if you want to argue that vegans should handcraft and grow literally everything they use as an excuse not make any changes yourself, I don’t know what to say.

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