Comment on Why do people still eat beef when we know it's terrible for Earth?
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Same reason we use electricity despite not being 100% green energy and thus being even worse for the earth?
If you actually wanna guilt this question then the fuck are you doing using your coal and gas powered electricity to do it?
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, because the capitalists have seen to it that you will never be permitted to make an ethical choice that would dare compete with what they expect you to choose.
Being a moralizing prick doesn’t send any message, what gets people to change is making that change easy, that’s why instead of being terminally online fuckwads, british vegangelists spread the good news by hosting free kitchens, volunteering to take people grocery shopping on their own pound, teaching vegan cooking classes, and all other sorts of actually addressing literally any of the actual concerns people have about going vegan instead of being a condescending snob about it.
Sizzler@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
So honestly, one of the only ways a vegan can change people’s minds is to take them shopping an PAY for their food for them. Amazing, this is a new level of shitty push the blame away behaviour. Pathetic.
CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You’re saying that trying to motivate people positively to move on from meat is “push the blame away” behavior. But I think tut-tutting individuals who eat meat is pushing the blame away.
While there are some people who believe that eating meat is an absolute moral wrong, a lot of people who feel eating meat is immoral because of what the meat industry does, both to the animals and to the planet. Five thousand years ago, people eating meat didn’t support the meat industry and all its wrongs.
So considering it to be pathetic to try to effect real reduction in people’s meat consumption because the methods shift blame away from the individual meat eater seems really ironic to me, as well as completely counterproductive.
Sizzler@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
There is no positive motivation to move people away from meat. Health maybe? Shame and forcing self-reflection is one of the few effective tools.
Your last paragraph is just rubbish. That’s not what I was calling pathetic.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Did…did you just admit that you people don’t actually believe your own propaganda about why going vegan is better?
Also, pretty objectively shame doesn’t actually do anything, lecturing at people about why they’re wrong doesn’t convince them of anything, at best they just write you off as that ass who’s lecturing at them, more often they take it as a fight signal and shut down to you completely.