Comment on Anon doesn't like any web browsers

• Mubelotix@jlai.lu ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What? I’m ok with none of them

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• hibsen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s up with safari? I used to dislike it but it grew on me. Seems pretty light and quick, and it doesn’t ask me to sign into it constantly.

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  • efstajas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s totally fine to use, but it’s a pretty big pain to develop for. And you’re forced to, since it’s forced on every single iOS user (third-party browsers on iOS are essentially Safari with a custom UI due to Apple’s walled garden policies).

    Safari is notorious for adopting open web standards and APIs incredibly late or not at all, leading many to believe that it’s holding back the ability for web apps to achieve more native-app like capabilities on purpose. Right now, some major APIs like Web Bluetooth and USB are not supported on iOS safari, even though they have been on Android Chrome & Firefox for years.

    It also just behaves slightly differently & sometimes even explicitly off-spec compared to Chromium and Firefox engines in so many small ways that you quite often have to debug strange Safari-only bugs. It’s just incredibly annoying.

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    • hibsen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This makes more sense to me. The only things I’ve ever made that have to worry about multiple web browsers are basic, static HTML pages that just need CSS and maybe a tiny bit of JS. My biggest annoyance was that it didn’t have a grid view like Firefox did.

      What does the web use Bluetooth for? That sounds like a nightmare regardless of whether the browser will let it or not, lol

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      • efstajas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What does the web use Bluetooth for? That sounds like a nightmare regardless of whether the browser will let it or not, lol

        Nothing much at the moment, but that’s at least partially due to Apple’s lack of support 🤷

        Web apps could theoretically do everything native apps can. The only thing you need are APIs implemented by browsers that “bridge the gap” between web apps running in it and the host OS.

        A bunch of such APIs including access to talk to Bluetooth devices have been standardized a while ago, but are missing on Safari. Bluetooth is just one example, another is the ability to communicate with peripherals at all (e.g. USB or MIDI or Serial). Those APIs allow for example updating the firmware of a device, reconfiguring it, etc.

        The availability of such APIs is just equivalency with native apps and the possible usecases are everything you’d currently need to install a native app for. Imagine for example just going to some website to change settings of your Bluetooth headphones instead of having to download the manufacturer’s app. Web Bluetooth also allows finding Bluetooth beacons, which would make for example museum audio guides with indoor navigation possible as a simple website. Etc. etc. 🤷

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