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DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Then don’t complain about me assuming you are either too dumb or too uneducated to understand why empty words like those can’t result in a functional governing system.

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alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You’re making claims about a subject you are not an expert in, and refusing to read any literature on the subject.

You shouldn’t be calling others dumb or uneducated.

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  You’re making claims about a subject you are not an expert in, and refusing to read any literature on the subject.
  
  I unfortunately don’t have unlimited time, so I am forced to refuse to read books that are unlikely to be relevant.
  
  But also Capital is written that way to preempt arguments; it’s an academic work. His other works only suffer from 3 page long sentences that require significant contextual and historical knowledge of mid 1800s europe. Lenin is an easier place to start.
  
  Then maybe can you point to a work that does not assume a 1800s economy? Also, Marxism was tried already by the Bolsheviks. It failed terribly. If there were no improvements made since, what is the point? While I like the scientific method, I am certainly not willing to try the same thing again and see if just as many people die a second time.
  
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  - alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    While I like the scientific method, I am certainly not willing to try the same thing again and see if just as many people die a second time.
    
    Capitalism kills far more people, by design. While the famine in the USSR was due to wide-spread drought, unlike the man-made famine that would kill millions in Bengal a few years later.
    
    I am interested in examining any modern plan to see if I can see issues in it or if it looks like it could work and is worth supporting.
    
    You cannot understand present society, let alone have a model that can predict future developments with any reliability if you don’t learn history.
    
    But if you want to understand economics, you’re gonna have to read a book on economics.
    
    Lenin’s Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism is good if you’re more interested in higher-level detail than Marx talking about linen.
    
    State and Revolution is more history and provides analysis of communist projects.
    
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