I get the feeling you cheerlead for big business and corporations over working people and unions.
Troll alert.
Comment on Net neutrality is back as FCC votes to regulate internet providers
Unsustainable@lemmy.today 6 months ago
That is the worst misrepresentation of Net Neutrality I’ve ever seen. This “article” makes it sound like the government is protecting you. It makes me want to vomit. They get away with this because nobody reads the actual bills. They just take what the media writes and accepts it as truth.
tearsintherain@leminal.space 6 months ago
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 6 months ago
This comment is the worst misrepresentation of penguins I’ve ever seen. It sounds like a red herring. It makes me want to vomit. People get away with this because nobody actually knows what penguins are. They just take what the media writes and accepts it as truth.
On a serious note, plenty of people here surely know what net neutrality is. Net neutrality is the guarantee that your ISP doesn’t (de-)prioritize traffic or outright block traffic, all packets are treated equally. In other words it means you don’t have to pay $5 extra for high speed access to Lemmy because Reddit and your ISP (say Comcast) would prefer Lemmy not exist.
debanqued@beehaw.org 6 months ago
On a serious note, plenty of people here surely know what net neutrality is. Net neutrality is the guarantee that your ISP doesn’t (de-)prioritize traffic or outright block traffic, all packets are treated equally.
That’s true but it’s also the common (but overly shallow) take. It’s applicable here and good enough for the thread, but it’s worth noting that netneutrality is conceptually deeper than throttling and pricing games and beyond ISP shenanigans. The meaning was coined by Tim Wu, who spoke about access equality.
People fixate on performance which I find annoying in face of Cloudflare, who is not an ISP but who has done by far the most substantial damage to netneutrality worldwide by controlling who gets access to ~50%+ of world’s websites. The general public will never come to grasp Cloudflare’s oppression or the scale of it, much less relate it to netneutrality. Which means netneutrality policy is doomed to ignore Cloudflare and focus on ISPs.
Most people at least have some control over which ISP they select. Competition is paltry, but we all have zero control over whether a website they want to use is in Cloudflare’s exclusive walled garden.
beefcat@beehaw.org 6 months ago
A website isn’t a common carrier, you cannot argue that a website isn’t allowed to control who they serve their content to. Cloudflare is a tool websites use to exercise that right.
debanqued@beehaw.org 6 months ago
A website isn’t a common carrier
The discussion is about network neutrality, not just common carriers (which are only part of the netneutrality problem).
you cannot argue that a website isn’t allowed to control who they serve their content to.
Permission wasn’t the argument. When a website violates netneutrality principles, it’s not a problem of acting outside of authority. They are of course permitted to push access inequality.
Cloudflare is a tool websites use to exercise that right,
One man’s freedom is another man’s oppression.
necessitated by the ever rising prevalence of bots and DDoS attacks.
It is /not/ necessary to use a tool as crude and reckless as Cloudflare to defend from attacks with disregard to collateral damage. There are many tools in the toolbox for that and CF is a poor choice.
Your proposed definition of net neutrality would destroy anyone’s ability to deal with these threats.
Only if you neglect to see admins who have found better ways to counter threats that do not make the security problem someone elses.
Can you at least provide examples of legitimate users who are hindered by the use of Cloudflare?
That was in the linked article.
beefcat@beehaw.org 6 months ago
I’ve always wondered, what do Comcast’s boots taste like?
x3i@kbin.social 6 months ago
Can you elaborate? 'cause I sure as hell ain't gonna look it up
Midnitte@beehaw.org 6 months ago
Arstechnica has a good article explaining.
Now, for the user above, I’m not entirely sure what they’re talking about since this isn’t a bill that has been passed, but net neutrality is to protect consumers - it’s to ensure large companies cannot stack the deck to make you use their preferred (owned) services.
admiralteal@kbin.social 6 months ago
The user above is just one of those guys who looks at anything the dems do and thinks, look at this bitch eating crackers.
Nothing good can ever be celebrated or praised. It has to always be bad.
x3i@kbin.social 6 months ago
Thank you and sorry at the same time for not phrasing my question properly; I know what it is, I am just very baffled on how it should be a bad thing if they strengthen the enforcement net neutrality. Imo, this is always a pure win for the consumer as it prevents a lot of malicious business models. So basically: no idea what the initial commenter is complaining about.
Midnitte@beehaw.org 6 months ago
Indeed, and now thanks to the other comment I can reference that they’re just mad that bitch is eating crackers.