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sqgl@beehaw.org 7 months agoThe world has never had a good definition of the word liberty, and the American people, just now, are much in want of one. We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing.
With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor.
Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name, liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names, liberty and tyranny.
The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as a liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty, especially as the sheep was a black one. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty.
exocrinous@startrek.website 7 months ago
WTF does the sheep’s colour have to go with liberty? Do black sheep taste better? I thought their colour only mattered to humans because humans like to dye their woolen garments. A wolf doesn’t need to dye clothes.
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 months ago
“Black sheep” I took to be in the sense of, you can throw a bunch of criticism at the person you’re oppressing and make it clear they’re an outlier from humanity and make it more palatable that you’re doing that and change the subject.
“You shouldn’t be killing Gazan children on an industrial scale” “But they’re monsters, look at how terrible was Hamas’s attack on our music festival!” Things like that.
exocrinous@startrek.website 7 months ago
If I was the wolf, I’d just point out that the shepherd eats lamb too, and is therefore just as much a murderer. The only difference is the amount of power in the equation. The wolf doesn’t need to be bigoted to make its point, there are much better criticisms against the way the shepherd deprives the sheep of liberty. I didn’t really understand why Lincoln was describing a foolish wolf who attacks the shepherd for bad reasons instead of readily available good ones. What the wolf says is pretty nonsense to me.
sqgl@beehaw.org 7 months ago
That Lincombe guy who said it was a famous dude for being smart and shit apparently. What do I know?
sqgl@beehaw.org 7 months ago
He probably was drawing the analogy with the landowners exploiting black people.
exocrinous@startrek.website 7 months ago
Oh okay. So what does racists complaining that the government freed slaves have to do with soulism?
sqgl@beehaw.org 7 months ago
TBH I didn’t understand your soulism comment or how it is connected with your original comment.
I was really just supporting your original comment.