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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 months agoIgnore the 11 billion part. That’s for a different time period. Your quote was from 2014-2018.
You don’t pay taxes on wealth. So your citation doesn’t understand tax law. Wealth can’t be taxed by the federal government because it’s unconstitutional. Basically they are idiots.
We pay taxes on income and the rate changes on the type of income. Wealth isn’t income.
GrymEdm@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You linked the 11-billion story though?
The attitude of hiding behind loopholes and technicalities is how the US has ended up with in the state shown by this chart and tables - with 2/3rds of wealth owned by the top 10%, and only 3% of wealth held by the bottom 50%. I’ll continue to listen to your arguments, but as fair warning you are unlikely to convince me that the bottom 170 million US citizens should hold only 3% of the wealth (2023 data btw).
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
As it had the 2014-2018 numbers.
It’s neither. It’s how our tax code is written. Most of their wealth I would assume is stock. It isn’t cash.
Almost all of elons wealth is stock.
I’d be fine saying stock sales are ordinary income including SS and Medicare. That would end some of this.
I’d be fine counting personal loans as income and rebate if needed when paid off.
Since capital gains are taxed lower. Many people have converted their pay to stock.
GrymEdm@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In my defense, that’s precisely why I opened with the idea that we should tax the obscenely rich. As in, change the tax code. I haven’t said that Elon et al are criminally evading taxes (although I’ve heard rumblings of it happening), but rather I say the code needs to be revisited with levelling inequality in mind. I’ve even heard people like Mark Cuban explicitly say they believe their economic peer group should be taxed heavily. "Cuban urges people to get so “obnoxiously rich that when that tax bill comes, your first thought will be to choke on how big a check you have to write. Your 2nd thought will be ‘what a great problem to have,’ and your 3rd should be a recognition that in paying your taxes you are helping to support millions of Americans that are not as fortunate as you.”
A fine example of using technicalities/loopholes/whatever you want to label it as a way to reduce taxes paid.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It’s neither. It’s using the tax code to their advantage. Just as we do every year. Loophole makes it sound like it wasn’t designed that way.
I am 100% against taxing wealth but I am onboard for forcing people to covert wealth to cash to be taxed. The loans are something I despise. That really is a pet peeve of mine.
I also don’t mind PUBLiC companies having more regulations such as total comp can’t exceed x of the lowest paid employee.
Part of the wealth gap is caused by the stock market. If they want the benefit of the stock market. They should have more regulations.
The problem though is congress is tied to the hip to these people and that is why things done change