Comment on unsure why we are surprised lol

• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s certainly a statement, backed up by nothing but posturing and not an ounce of analysis.

  If you can meaningfully explain how Lenin and the Bolsheviks were not Marxists, I’d be very surprised, but I am willing to hear your case. What do you believe would have been the Marxist structure? The same as the USSR, just without the corruption? Is it just vibes and aesthetics?

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Marxist? Maybe. But they skirted around the edges and avoided any unpleasant communism.

    As shown by the fact they basically dismantled all the soviets and turned them into some parliamentary shit?

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The justification for replacing the factory committees with the union system is because the factory committees were focusing competitively on local issues, rather than cooperatively at a national level. I don’t believe this makes it less leftist. This improved productivity in a time when the factories were more chaotic.

      How would you propose the Bolsheviks could have handled the situation in a more thoroughly Communist manner, given what they had to work with at the time?

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      • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Dude I’m not going to keep arguing with someone who tries to defend that shit.

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Marx was, and I couldn’t stand reading that bastard because of how he talked about the ‘lumpenproletariat’, that shit made my blood boil, so maybe I’m missing something, pretty vague on specific structures of post revolutionary organization. More about what communism was and how to get it.

    And its very cute to say the state is the workers, but when they have to switch to building impractical useless products to keep up with the irrational demands of the state, or be punished I think its pretty clearly unmasked and insane.

    I’m not claiming any one group or ideology owns the Russian revolution-it was a big tent, it was a big fight, and it took place over, at any given moment, at least half the day. Which is wild. I’m saying the Bolsheviks were reactionaries. They knew they were reactionaries.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What made you upset about the Lumpenproletariat? Either way, Marx describes a bit about what a Socialist state might look like in Critique of the Gotha Programme, but is careful not to actually decide anything or give a template.

      I understand that you are saying the Bolsheviks were reactionaries. The Bolsheviks claimed the Anarchists were counter-revolutionaries. What evidence do you have that the Bolsheviks were against implementing Socialism and eventually Communism?

      Reactionary is specifically used for enemies of the revolution, not the ones carrying it out.

      I am not defending the killing of the Anarchists, but questioning the language of “reactionary” as used by you.

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