Comment on Germans: what genocide?
woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 months agoSo you think historians are lying about what happened under, for instance, the Almohads?
[citation needed] specifically for a genocide after a single case of domestic violence.
nonailsleft@lemm.ee 5 months ago
You’re conflating and misrepresenting two of the examples I gave. I wonder why.
I gave you the link these examples come from five five posts up. If you can’t be bothered to spend five minutes reading that, why are you so invested in this conflict (and discussion)?
Here’s a bonus one to quench your thirst for whataboutism, from the same article:
woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Nothing about a genocide against Jews in there. You probably meant en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre which was obviously horrible but A) that’s not genocide, B) was part of a wider conflict in which plenty of Muslims killed each other as well, C) was on a different continent, D) 900 years before anything modern Israel, so totally unrelated different ethnic groups living without much beef in the Western Asian strip of land that’s the actual topic here.
Really shows how desperate you are at justifying a modern genocide when you have to reach almost 1000 years back into the past to find something that fits your agenda.
Nope, the following line is not in the “History of Moroccan Jews” article. That line is from a different article from a non-NPOV source and that one also doesn’t mention any genocide at all and even if it would, still not a justification of the modern genocide.
Ah yes, they had to wear funny hats in a part of Africa. That has absolutely nothing to do with the Western Asian strip of land that is the actual topic but hey, this clearly justifies Palestinian genocide on a different continent 800 years later. Special rules also applied to Christians. Neither doesn’t speak to how well the actual people lived with each other. Also nothing that justifies any genocide from the hands of modern Christians as well.
nonailsleft@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Well, if you want me to prove that some ultra-zionists chased a Palestinian family of their land in the West-Bank today because the latter had genocided them there yesterday, I agree that that is not the case.
But I hope to make you understand that this is still all part of a larger religious conflict. This isn’t something that suddenly started in 1947. Your claim that they were all living happily together until the 1940’s is too broad, and quite wrong.
There are plenty of examples of how jews were discriminated against, small and large, ancient and recent. I agree that in the relatively sparsely populated Palestininan territories themselves, there wasn’t very much enmity. And that was probably one of the reasons the zionist movement chose it.
The first large waves of immigrants came from Russia and Eastern Europe because of the genocidal religious discrimination they faced there. Later those who experienced the same under catholic and islamic majorities, with the nazis taking the crown, followed suit.
And it’s not like the local muslim population welcomed this stream of immigrants. They themselves were expecting to come out of the Ottoman empire, and later Mandatory Palestine, with an islamic Arab state (where they would remain first class citizens). This led to the first larger clashes following WW1 resulting in both sides polarizing and militarizing, and the creation of Haganah and Irgun. And they’re still fighting the same fight today. Was it ‘wrong’ for all those jews to migrate there? Perhaps. Was it wrong for the local muslims not to welcome them? Perhaps. But the history isn’t as one sided as you describe it.