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Comment on A Gen Xer's Thoughts on Strange New Worlds

RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Gen X here. Sorry, I’m going to be an asshole.

I am not telling anyone they can’t enjoy it, but when I see things like this, I just can’t leave it alone.

I disagree with everything you said, and much like the incessant, “Dude, this is finally the Trek show we wanted dudebrodude!” It honestly makes me question your motives, because I’ve seen similar, though more blatant, gaslighting elsewhere.

This show suffers from the same illogical plots, very questionable dialogue, and blatant canon failures as Discovery, making a mockery of everything I loved about Star Trek from TOS and growing up through TNG and DS9. This show is nothing like what I grew up with, a calm, consistent, well-considered and well-written morality tale. This show is modern, CW-level feely-feels-schlock. Anyone that enjoys it is welcome to it; but it is nothing like TOS or TNG from my formative years.

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Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

This show suffers from the same illogical plots, very questionable dialogue…

I love TNG and can appreciate TOS but seriously, to say those didn’t sometimes have absurd plotlines with gaping chasms for plotholes and some of the, in retrospect cringiest dialogue around…

To each their own I guess but I think you might be looking the old stuff through rose coloured glasses.

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- RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  “Sometimes” they’d have absurd plotlines, of course, but with these new shows, it’s the norm. Big difference, same old argument.
  
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  - Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’m only 5 episodes in but so far 4 have been solid TNG quality stories and 1 silly hijinks episode that, unlike the TOS/TNG versions knew that it was being silly and winked to the audience.
    
    Like I say, to each their own.
    
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JWBananas@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This is how you know it’s a good show.

The true fans come out of the woodwork to bemoan every single new Trek.

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Buelldozer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

This show suffers from the same illogical plots, very questionable dialogue, and blatant canon failures

So it’s basically the same as TOS? Excellent!

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- Reva@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  There’s a reason TNG/DS9/VOY are called the Golden Age, not TOS.
  
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38830047@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It wouldn’t be Trek if there was no disagreement.

(…I’m the furthest thing from a Dudebro ™, but I was targeting that particular demographic! So thank you for the writing compliment…)

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lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

It honestly makes me question your motives, because I’ve seen similar, though more blatant, gaslighting elsewhere.

Can we not just let people have opinions without accusing them of gaslighting?

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- RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Not when I’ve seen this very same post dozens of times about this very same show on that other network.
  
  Can we not assume everyone is telling the truth on the internet? That’s how we get cults.
  
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  - lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    We’re talking about a TV show and you’re acting like it’s some crazy conspiracy that people like it.
    
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    RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    When millions of dollars are at stake in the streaming wars, and I see dozens of near-zero-cost posts about how “this is exactly the Trek all us old Trek fans have been waiting for dudbebrodudes!! It’s so amazingly goodlier than other stuff!” on reddit and now on lemmy, you’re damn right I am.
    
    This show is badly-written CW schlock. It ignores canon, it is utterly devoid of coherent, consistent writing, and it lacks any of the soul of TOS, TNG, DS9, and at least most of VOY.
    
    It is not good trek, and I will argue to the fucking death with the idea it is.
    
    Lower Decks actually has the soul (not to mention the classic structure) of Star Trek, even as a parody.
    
    SNW is only slightly less-abysmal than DIS. At least it still isn’t as bad as Picard.
    
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Woozy@dmv.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You have a point, but it got lost in the assholery of your reply. I too long for a little more of the hard SciFi and morality tales of Star Trek. The writers/producers try too hard to explore characters & relationships rather than the cool things that we can see/learn while exploring the galaxy - - all those strange new worlds.

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- RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yep, aside literally one episode for about, what, 15 seconds, we saw some strange new aliens.
  
  And yes I’ve been very jaded against the gaslighting about these shows thanks to the brutal subjugation of the reddit sub. I’ve seen fake gushing over these shows too many times, and I just pictured poor Wil Wheaton making the post.
  
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