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Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 6 months agoHahaha, I think the only person getting worked up here is yourself. I mean really, what’s cringier than “wokescold”? Next you’ll be calling me a “wokewitch.” For the high crime of checking Wikipedia. Put down the torch and pitchfork, sweetie, you’ll hurt yourself.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Yeah, things like calling me “sweetie” and implying that my mild criticism is me acting like you committed a high crime are not exactly going to change my mind. Telling other people what to do based on a misplaced notion of what’s harmful is exactly what I mean. It reminds me of that really creepy phase of internet discourse when a large ammount of people started insisting on saying “Latinx” as a gender-neutral inclusive version of “latino” or “latina”. The worst part about that was it was an exonym that was being forced on a minority community by a bunch of white liberals who had a notion of what was wrong with someone else’s culture and were actively trying to fix it. So instead of being slightly annoying and unhelpful they were being actively harmful in their ignorance. BTW, for anyone wondering: I’ve learned through speaking with people that the preferred term is “Latine”.
Now, obviously the same damage is not being done in this instance, but it illustrates why I’m saying this, and shows the dangers of bandwagoning as soon as you think something might be perpetuating oppression. No doubt that it’s good to be aware of how our behavior affects others and to adjust accordingly, but what I see here is people defending a billionaire against a term by saying that it’s antisemitic without being educated on it by the wider Jewish community beforehand, and so I find it largely unconvincing. If I see further discourse about it I’ll investigate, and if one of my friends starts talking to me about it I’ll heed their concerns. However, a small number of strangers on the internet saying something isn’t enough to change my mind, especially not without a good argument.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
There’s billions of reasons to hate those guys that have nothing to do with their religion.
And using “woke” as a pejorative? Woke is simply having basic human decency and a modicum of common sense, so nobody who finds it used about them really minds. “Scold” has been used for centuries to shove outspoken and/or educated women into submission. It’s a label I’ll be proud to wear.
As for your defending dehumanization, and calling some people’s attempts to be gender-inclusive “creepy” rather than simply ungrammatical? Gee, sorry you find even the merest reference to anything other than heterosexual-male humanity so icky you can’t even.
Supporting the Reptilian Conspiracy puts you squarely in the same camp as David Icke, follower of Robert E. Howard, who referred to the “Kosher Nostra” and said powerful men in the Bible couldn’t have been really Jewish, but must have been “Aryan, like myself.”
You’ve told us who you are, and I believe you.
Xusies@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You are strawmanning hard. You are ignoring their main argument and attacking their character, it’s not persuasive to anyone reading. It only servers to make you look like an asshat.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I am not using woke as a pejorative, but as a descriptor; it’s good to be woke.
“Woke scolding” is what you are in the process of doing, and it damages the cause. You’re misrepresenting me in ways that don’t make sense given the context and you’re bringing up history of terms that don’t reflect their present meaning to evoke unwarranted feelings of shame. If we were in a more public forum arguing this disingenuously using the language of we who are aware of and opposed to oppression would risk turing away once potential allies and further radicalizing individuals who have only been shown clips of visually identifiable leftists screaming while a chud pretends to be a reasonable centrist instead of a fascist who was just distributing Qanon pamphlets. I urge you to be more conscious with your rhetoric.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I’m over here laughing, you’re completely playing out the “man can’t handle being corrected by a woman so he resorts to loading on the multisyllabic jargon in order to pretend his arguments are too complex for her to understand instead of facing his own prejudice.” You’re still supporting antisemitism. And that’s all there is to it. I’m not even Jewish, but bigotry is bigotry.