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• fkn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Except it’s literally not the suppression or prohibition of anything.

  It’s not censorship if you don’t let people into your house. It’s not censorship if you don’t let people paint on your walls.

  This isn’t the government. This isn’t the prevention or suppression or public speech. They can (and do) post that shit. You are free to go read it.

  Almost no media platform is required to host or publish any content they don’t want to. What do you not understand about this?

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  • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not censorship if you don’t let people into your house. It’s not censorship if you don’t let people paint on your walls.

    I gave a dictionary definition of censorship and you’re trying to make analogies to trespassing and vandalism. Just use the definition.

    This isn’t the government.

    Censorship isn’t exclusive to governments. Private entities and public corporations can perform acts of internal censorship or even self censor in external communications.

    This isn’t the prevention or suppression or public speech. They can (and do) post that shit. You are free to go read it.

    There are countries that ban pornography, however someone outside the country is still free to see said pornography. Does the suppression of pornography in that country cease to be censorship simply because some people are still free to see it?

    Almost no media platform is required to host or publish any content they don’t want to. What do you not understand about this?

    Yep, and that’s why there are many corporations that self censor according to their own sensibilities. And that what this whole thread is about, the question of whether to censor rammy.site by suppressing their content via defederation.

    There’s nothing confusing about this unless you have mixed feelings about the word censorship itself but still support the suppression of speech you don’t like(and to reiterate, i find the content on rammy.site bigoted and high objectionable, and want it censored)

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    • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can continue to incorrectly call this censorship if you want, but you are going to continue to be wrong.

      It’s obvious that you have difficulty with disambiguating the appropriate levels of abstraction for use with the words based on your examples. At this point, it’s either intentional rhetoric designed to try and confuse others or pride and ignorance. I am starting to lean towards bad actor.

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      • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m having difficulty yes.

        The fediverse is akin to a network, instances join this network and relay content to and from each other.

        The internet is a network, networks upon networks, and nodes in the network relay content to and from each other.

        If a country decides to block objectionable content on the internet, the news article covering this will use the term censorship. Whether it’s porn, anti-religious content, or inconvenient history, they will call cutting off that part of the internet, whether via filtering or total disconnection, censorship. Even though this falls in your example of “you don’t let people into your house”, because those countries aren’t letting certain packets into their borders, it is still commonly referred to as censorship.

        So, if an instance on the fediverse decides to opt out of relaying objectionable content, thus suppressing that content, how does it not meet the criteria for censorship if defederation is analogous to countries performing censorship via blocking internet content?

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    • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maan, you’re getting wrongly downvoted to hell, and I just wanted to stop, and give you some admiration, and thanks for being able to apply critical thought, and impartiality.

      There’s so much cognitive dissonance in these threads.

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