Comment on The Karen of Lemmy
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
OP sounds like a jerk, but he’s not wrong. The calls for de-federation are about as ubiquitous as reports in online gaming.
De-federation should not be taken lightly. It undermines the whole point of Lemmy. It magnifies the shitty people on your server (you aren’t locked in there with them. They are locked in there with you). It promotes echo chambering and limits external viewpoints that help us form good opinions. It makes the server boring.
Don’t do it
Hexbear and to a lesser degree ML and grad evoke the fear of becoming the Nazi bar, but for tankies.
If many new users land on “all” and sees a bunch of crazy posts, they are gonna just leave.
If everyone is cool being known as a home of ultra leftist, often drifting into true tankie autocrat worship, then so be it.
I’m aware who built Lemmy and so on, no need to recite the lore.
If people want to discuss defederation there’s nothing wrong with that.
What about threads?
IMO threads should be defederated on principle. Having a massive and evil corporation like Facebook here goes completely against the spirit of the protocol.
At first I disagreed about your characterization of OP based on just this post, but then I saw the comments on this thread.
Anyways, I also think defedding will cause a problem. It might even cause this platform as a whole to fail or to have one site rise and be the main site which is the opposite of what this is all about.
I was all ready to rush in and defend him for getting downvoted, but he’s asking for it.
I was joking and having a laugh by people who take the internet way too seriously, lighten up
Yeah except Echo Chamber paranoia is completely unfounded
It’s been proven that social media companies defy human social behavior and intentionally force you to see more content that will lead you to encounter “the opposing view”, not out of some inherent Grade A Grillin’ centrist urge to make everyone play nice, but because they know damn well that it drives up engagement from everyone being at each other’s throats in these forced encounters.
See also why you just cannot seem to escape tangentially seeing content related to users you blocked on Instagram or keep getting recommended users from in their social orbit that you “might know”.
The truth is that the ability to just ignore people who you don’t want to engage with is what keeps society peaceful most of the time, because going out of your way to force contact with people who disagree with you isn’t breaking down your personal barriers it’s laying the groundwork for a restraining order.
You’re not wrong, but if I take all my like minded friends and make a gated community of my own, I’m seriously culling the number of potential view points.
gullible@fedia.io 8 months ago
It really, really depends on the instance’s users. So long as they’re tolerable, there’s rarely a reason to defederate. If you host mostly trolls, spam, illegal photos, or hateful content, tolerating it is unnecessary. I’m not here to interact exclusively with folks who seek only to regress my understanding, personally.
Relatedly, the most delightful folks exist on a broadly defederated instance, beehaw. Also relatedly, solarpunk hosts my second favorite users. You guys are fantastic.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yeah, most instances should remain federated even if they’re somewhat distasteful. Just the extremes and harassers like Hexbear and lemmy.ml should be defederated.
gullible@fedia.io 8 months ago
I dislike lemmy.ml having an unwritten code of conduct upheld via admins but that really doesn’t extend outside their instance. Their users are largely fine so I’m fine with the instance. I do avoid their communities, though. Those are unpleasant due to the code of conduct.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Do you mean lemmygrad?
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 8 months ago
No, I mean lemmy.ml
It’s absolutely chock full of authoritarian propaganda and aggressive users. I abandoned an old account because they followed me around and downvoted everything I posted.
I love the idea of the Fediverse and want to see it thrive to the point where Facebook and the other corporate social media fail. I don’t think that’ll ever happen while aggressive propaganda instances like lemmy.ml are so prominent.