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• PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That blood is on Hamas.

  Can you explain this? I hear this from Israel genocide supporters a lot. And it’s like Israel’s hands are tied, as if they’re required to murder civilian en masse because they’re at war with Hamas. So, how are Israel’s actions caused by Hamas as if Israel doesn’t have choices?

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  • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hamas is still attacking Israel. Under international law they have the right to self defense. Hiding in civilians doesn’t mean Israel loses the right to self defense.

    Hamas could stop this at anytime but they refuse. As such the blood is on their hands.

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    • PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hamas is still attacking Israel.

      Mkay.

      Under international law they have the right to self defense.

      Okey dokey. Got it. Though, my minor quibble is how it’s self-defense to go into another’s territory and fuck it up. I guess we’re using the U.S. definition of self-defense which is just aggression. Anyway, continuing the argument…

      Hiding in civilians doesn’t mean Israel loses the right to self defense.

      Wait a second…you skipped a lot of steps.

      • Implied premise: Hamas is hiding among civilians

      Okay, yeah, I’ve heard that before. Sure.

      • Implied premise: Because Hamas hides among civilians, combatants and civilians are indistinguishable.

      This premise or something like that must be perceived to be true to justify killing civilians. And it’s the critical premise in your argument.

      Implied Premise: Israeli self-defense targets civilians and Hamas combatants alike.

      But Israel is bombing sites of aid! People are just trying to survive and Israel is like, “Welp, looks like the children of Hamas need to die.” And then massacres them. These people aren’t attacking Israel as they clamor for a piece of lettuce. What is the genocidal country of Israel defending against as it destroys food and water and the people trying to get them?

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      • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Though, my minor quibble is how it’s self-defense to go into another’s territory and fuck it up

        International law allows you to do this. How else would you stop the rocket attacks unless you go to destroy the rockets ?

        This premise or something like that must be perceived to be true to justify killing civilians

        It’s backed by the rules of warfare.

        Now the starving part is where I draw the line. Israel has an obligation to keep support services going to the best of their ability.

        I feel this has gone on to long. 60 days and I would have been cool. We are well past that point. They need to wrap things up and call it a day.

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