Based on your previous points in this very thread, you are invested in this article. Either way i have not addressed you really in my posts other than to tell you to choose your sources more carefully.
When one makes a claim that some group is secretly advocating for something immoral, as an argument to discredit their stated intention, the accuser has the burden of proof, not the group.
Even IF it was tied to pride for the murders in 2002 that doesn’t connect it advocating genocide. But you haven’t even got that far as you have to establish intent first.
And when comparing the pin to flying the confederate flag. There is no question as to its meaning. The confederacy was a secessionist movement whose reason for being was to specifically preserve the states rights to enforce slavery. That flag is their standard and its meaning was no secret when the confederacy used it as such.
There is no comparison
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
This source is fine. We use conservative sources for our articles. You are free to cite a competing source for a liberal bias.
Says you, I see as a flag of the Democrats. When I see the flag I know it represents racism because it is tied to the Democrats.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There is a difference between a good conservative source, and Fox News. Just because it is a conservative source does not mean it holds up to scrutiny, and Fox News consistently has trouble aligning with neutral fact. I wouldn’t source TYT or who ever makes left leaning rags to prove my points.
There was also not allot of counter left leaning articles on this because the Fox News article never established what it needed to in order to justify its claims. News articles report news, not squabble with unproven points of their rivals.
As for the meaning of the confederate flag, what i stated is fact about its meaning. And wile the circle encompassing democrats at the time and the confederacy are probably nearly eclipsed they do not fully encompass each other. There are those who were pro slavery who still considered succession a terrible idea, and so are not attributed to the confederacy. The difference between them is intent, which is clear.
Also bringing up the confederacy being tied to democrats seems to me like an attempted segway out of the current topic. One used often to attempt to delegitimize democrats as hypocrites or to secretly hate the very people they promote. No Democrat alive today was a participant in politics during the civil war. And it would be foolish to claim current democrats stand for the same things as the confederacy.
And just so you know, i am not a democrat.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Not at all but is shows symbols mean different things. I wouldn’t fly the battle flag because 1. It’s not my thing. 2. It is the flag of the Democrats. 3. Even if it once was an anti-government meme, it’s now a symbol of hate.
It’s like the blood hand pin. What does it really mean, and should people be wearing it if it’s tied to the genocide of the Jews? I would say no.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You keep saying it’s the flag of the democrats. Yet those who proudly fly it now almost unanimously and proudly identify with the Republican Party. But it would be wrong to say that republicans advocate the ideals of the confederacy. You would need to give context as to why you think there is a connection with the confederate flag and current democrats. But again though, this has nothing to do with the topic and seems to be some sort of diversion.
As for the pin. You have not established the connection of the pin to the 2002 murders, you have not established the 2002 murders to a genocide, you have not established that the participants of artist4ceasfire intended for the pin to have your prescribed meaning.
You have established that people, with a vested interest in perverting artists4ceasefire’s message for a cease fire, claim that they FEEL as though the pin was created to secretly signify approval for genocide. But facts don’t care about feelings. Its the burden of Fox News to establish this, and that the artists knew thats what the pin secretly means, because failing all of that, their call for cease fire is its only meaning.