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golli@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I also thought the lack of any substantial passage of time with the fremens was an issue. As I’ve already written in some other threads i think it is a consequence of wanting to keep Alia an unborn child rather than casting a child actor to play a difficult role (and having that influence who you cast later when you need a more grown up Alia).

Once you make that decision the time frame naturally gets restricted to under 9 months, since you have to I have Jessica pregnant from the beginning.

I very much enjoyed the Geidi Prime aesthetics, but I can see how one can find it to be more style than necessary substance. Now that you mention it, I’d also definitely be interested how it would have looked with a more Alien like Giger-ish design.

Regarding the end with the great houses and spice, I wonder what we will see in part 3. I think the importance of spice fell a bit under the table, since we didn’t have the spacing guild being a bigger part. So I’m wondering if that was simply saved for part 3 to take out a story line from an already relatively packed movie. As were others such as jamis wife/children or paul+chani’s first child Leto that gets killed (also a result of the cut timeframe).

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maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I think the importance of spice fell a bit under the table, since we didn’t have the spacing guild being a bigger part.

Yea this is something I didn’t mention but I think might be a pretty objective flaw for all the non-book readers. Those of us who know the book know how big a deal it is. But in the film universe, I’m not sure the gravity of Paul’s move (re threatening to destroy it) and the whole situation on Arrakis (the emperor came personally to fix it) is in the universe. Maybe the emperor being involved conveyed it, dunno, but it’s also pretty central to the “bad messiah” plot that Denis has (thankfully) emphasised, as it underlines how all of these things have fallen into Paul’s lap, including being the KH and the Fremen that allow him to become a messiah. Being on left for dead and surviving on the spice planet is an essential element of that.

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- golli@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Actually thinking about it again we are being told at the very start of the first movie (with a voice over exposition) that spice is the most valuable substance in the universe, that the spacing guild uses it and that without it interstellar travel is impossible. So in a way the viewer gets all the information needed in the first part.
  
  Maybe the fact that irritated me was more that we don’t get to understand that the spacing guild is basically a completely seperate faction and all the dynamics that come with it?
  
  I guess we have to wait how he resolves it in the third movie.
  
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  - maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yea, but that’s a long at the top of a previous film. Which is part of the part of the ending in the book, Paul wins the universe by simply threatening the spice, which surely proves its importance. Something else that movie skips is how many people are basically spice addicts, who clearly do not want to lose it. So yea, it’s there, but as you say, having the spicing guild there saying Paul can be the emperor so long as the spice continues to flow really gets the message across (that a universe addicted to a commodity might just be problematic).
    
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