X ruined Y, so lets take Y away from everyone because the small number of X ruined it.
Better?
It’s a dumb argument. It would be like saying that one person had an elective abortion with a viable fetus, and therefore we need to ban all abortions. Despite the fact that it’s a very, very rare occurrence, and can be handled in different way.
Its not illegal to use a VPN nor is it illegal to use a VPN to access lemmy.world, nor will anyone hold lemmy.world accountable for people accessing it via a VPN.
Lemmy.world has chosen to block access via VPNs.
That is their choice.
Lets swap the metaphor around a bit.
Its not illegal to enter a library via a window.
I could build a staircase to the window of my hypothetical library, and use that as the main entrance.
I wouldnt get arrested. The people using it wouldnt get arrested. Everything would be fine, might even be a great selling point to get more business.
The reason people arent allowed to enter libraries via a window is because there is a perfectly good front door, and its likely people that continue to try and access a library via a window are probably up to no good.
Maybe they are there to burn books, deface books, or just steal the computers that have been running for the last 20 years without any maintenance. Or maybe they might plant extremely inappropriate content amongst other books, or even illegal content amongst other books. Or maybe they have an aversion to main entrances, cant get to a library during normal business hours and desperately need something new to read, or are worried the person at the front desk will recognise them.
Who knows. Could be innocent, could be excentric, could be nefarious.
Its easier to prevent people entering via the windows, have monitoring to ensure people dont enter via the windows, and have a general social norm of “someone trying to get through a window is bad, and should be reported to authorities to make sure they arent up to no good” and just have everyone use the front door.
Anyone that actually includes non-vpn access to something like lemmy.world in their threat model are hopefully smart enough to get a VPS with a clean IP address.
Because a VPN doesnt add any extra headers or data to the traffic. VPN traffic is often blocked by looking up the origin IP (ie the VPN exit node’s public IP address) against a database of known malicious IP addresses. Thats it. Get a clean IP address, and move on with your life
First, pretty much every state in the US has banned elective abortion past the point of fetal viability, even the dark blue ones that have liberal Democratic supermajorities. That means that past 24-26 weeks–which is generally the point of fetal viability–an elective abortion is already illegal. That’s six months for earliest viability. How many people do you think get up to seven months pregnant and say, “nope, changed my mind”? The answer is, almost none. The few people that get that far without wanting a baby are women that didn’t realize they were pregnant because they never gained much weight, they had wildly irregular periods before pregnancy, and had spotting during pregnancy, etc. Almost all of the women that have abortions later than 13 weeks only have them because the fetus is not viable. 94% of all abortions are prior to 13 weeks. So right there, only 7% of abortions–which makes it at least uncommon–are even past 13 weeks, much less right up on the 24-week limit.
Anecdotally, my ex-wife had a later term (about 18-20 weeks) abortion when she was a teen. She didn’t know she was pregnant because she wasn’t gaining weight, and was still spotting. Her doctor told her that she had twins, that it was highly unlikely she would be able to carry to term without miscarrying, and it would be significantly detrimental to her health to try.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 years ago
X ruined Y, so lets take Y away from everyone because the small number of X ruined it.
Better?
It’s a dumb argument. It would be like saying that one person had an elective abortion with a viable fetus, and therefore we need to ban all abortions. Despite the fact that it’s a very, very rare occurrence, and can be handled in different way.
towerful@programming.dev 2 years ago
No, its more like “i own a library. I dont want people shouting in my library. Anyone shouting in my library will be kicked out”
Someone that shouts in a library is more than welcome to start their own library where shouting is allowed, even welcomed, encouraged or mandatory
quicksand@lemm.ee 2 years ago
towerful@programming.dev 2 years ago
Its not illegal to use a VPN nor is it illegal to use a VPN to access lemmy.world, nor will anyone hold lemmy.world accountable for people accessing it via a VPN.
Lemmy.world has chosen to block access via VPNs.
That is their choice.
Lets swap the metaphor around a bit.
Its not illegal to enter a library via a window.
I could build a staircase to the window of my hypothetical library, and use that as the main entrance.
I wouldnt get arrested. The people using it wouldnt get arrested. Everything would be fine, might even be a great selling point to get more business.
The reason people arent allowed to enter libraries via a window is because there is a perfectly good front door, and its likely people that continue to try and access a library via a window are probably up to no good.
Maybe they are there to burn books, deface books, or just steal the computers that have been running for the last 20 years without any maintenance. Or maybe they might plant extremely inappropriate content amongst other books, or even illegal content amongst other books. Or maybe they have an aversion to main entrances, cant get to a library during normal business hours and desperately need something new to read, or are worried the person at the front desk will recognise them.
Who knows. Could be innocent, could be excentric, could be nefarious.
Its easier to prevent people entering via the windows, have monitoring to ensure people dont enter via the windows, and have a general social norm of “someone trying to get through a window is bad, and should be reported to authorities to make sure they arent up to no good” and just have everyone use the front door.
Anyone that actually includes non-vpn access to something like lemmy.world in their threat model are hopefully smart enough to get a VPS with a clean IP address.
Because a VPN doesnt add any extra headers or data to the traffic. VPN traffic is often blocked by looking up the origin IP (ie the VPN exit node’s public IP address) against a database of known malicious IP addresses. Thats it. Get a clean IP address, and move on with your life
elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 years ago
This is wildly off-topic, but define “rare occurrence.” Because I’m sure it’s more common than you and I think.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 years ago
First, pretty much every state in the US has banned elective abortion past the point of fetal viability, even the dark blue ones that have liberal Democratic supermajorities. That means that past 24-26 weeks–which is generally the point of fetal viability–an elective abortion is already illegal. That’s six months for earliest viability. How many people do you think get up to seven months pregnant and say, “nope, changed my mind”? The answer is, almost none. The few people that get that far without wanting a baby are women that didn’t realize they were pregnant because they never gained much weight, they had wildly irregular periods before pregnancy, and had spotting during pregnancy, etc. Almost all of the women that have abortions later than 13 weeks only have them because the fetus is not viable. 94% of all abortions are prior to 13 weeks. So right there, only 7% of abortions–which makes it at least uncommon–are even past 13 weeks, much less right up on the 24-week limit.
Anecdotally, my ex-wife had a later term (about 18-20 weeks) abortion when she was a teen. She didn’t know she was pregnant because she wasn’t gaining weight, and was still spotting. Her doctor told her that she had twins, that it was highly unlikely she would be able to carry to term without miscarrying, and it would be significantly detrimental to her health to try.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Thanks. I had the wrong definition of fetal viability, and what you say of course makes sense. I stand corrected.
Also, I’m sorry your wife had to go through that experience.