Comment on Every time i have to use windows again my IQ slips a point or two

• stappern@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the drive shouldnt have a say in the first place…

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  • muddybulldog@mylemmy.win ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The drive doesn’t have a say. The permissions surrounding the TrustedInstaller account have a say. The account existed on your first Windows install and also on your new one hence the permissions and associated restrictions persevere. This is expected behavior.

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    • stappern@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      its very annoying and wastes time

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      • muddybulldog@mylemmy.win ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And prevents people from doing stupid things as well as prevents malware running under administrator permissions from doing malware things (see also; people doing stupid things).

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      • Mininux@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Insecurity is annoying too 🤷‍♂️

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  • WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then why does it matter that your an admin if the drive should have no say?

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    • stappern@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      because a non administrator shouldnt be able to mount drives and other admin operations. an admin should be able to do anything on that machine

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      • hstde@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can do anything, you just need to own the files first.

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      • SuperFlue@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ACL's are an integral part of most filesystems.
        So yes the drive absolutely has a say in this (technically the NTFS filesystem) in combination with the OS's filesystem driver.
        The Windows folder is set to be owned by the TrustedInstaller SID (S-1-5-80-956008885-3418522649-1831038044-1853292631-2271478464) which is a "well known" Security Identifier.
        This identifier is the same accross Windows systems in a similar way root is UID 0 on Linux.
        Therefore the access rights for TrustedInstaller persists across Windows installs, and also other rights that are defined on the filesystem object.

        Linux uses mainly POSIX ACL which is "fairy simple", while NTFS ACL can be very complex.
        Should also note that the the UNIX and UNIX-like world there is also NFSv4 ACL which is comparable to NTFS ACL.

        But the basic idea persists across almost all filesytem ACL.
        The user that is running the command must have the right user ID (that is UID/GID in Linux and SID in Windows) that has the correct access rights to do the action you want.

        With Windows administrator rights you can indeed delete everything if you really want.
        But then you have to give your administrator account the right access tokens or you need to impersonate the account in question (both of which are possible if you have an local administrator account, but does require the techincal know-how).

        In Windows a lot of these things are in place both to prevent users from shooting themselves in the foot, but also to provide defence-in-depth against malware.

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