Thank you for saying this. Being anti-religion and anti-Islam are not the same thing. Context would be very helpful for OPs post because that changes the whole conversation really.
Comment on Reedit taking down any post slightly critical of Islam.
needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m going to write something unpopular, and I’m not even sure I agree with it, but it’s a 9gag PTSD…
Although I wish Reddit will soon rot and I’m an atheist, we all know who the people focused on criticizing only Islam are. And we all know what their focus on this religion tries to hide…
I prefer the company of people who are either neutral about religion or hates them all equally.
stormageddon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
MostlyBirds@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Although I wish Reddit will soon rot and I’m an atheist, we all know who the people focused on criticizing only Islam are.
A large number of them are former muslims who managed to escape from oppressive islsmic regimes, and are now outspoken activists against an evil ideology.
I prefer the company of people who are either neutral about religion or hates them all equally.
That’s pretty stupid on your part either way. Neutrality towards religion is simply complicity. “Hating them all equally” is absurd and simple-minded, as every religion differs wildly in the level of harm it does. Islam and christianity are objectively the most harmful religions in existence today, and to focus your disdain on the one that you have the most experience with or poses the biggest threat to you is entirely reasonable.
needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Didn’t read past the second line, but fyi, I know there are former muslims. My mom is one of them. I should have written more carefully “except former muslims, obviously”.
The overwhelming majority of Islam focused critics, at least in western countries ? Culturo-fascists and white supremacists.
WiseMoth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Obviously I can understand not liking it when people single out one group and ignore another. But am I correct in understanding that you’re saying you like people more for “hating” groups of people who are different to you? Don’t get me wrong, there are without question aspects of certain religions which are harmful. But saying that hating every religious person is a good thing is way over the top. Everyone deserves to be respected and treated well, not hated because of their beliefs.
crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Careful- they only talked about hatred of religion, not the religious. A subtle but enormous difference!
WiseMoth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re absolutely right. That is a very important distinction to make. One which I think should be more actively emphasised. There are absolutely people who hate people for being religious. Definitely want to clarify to make it clearer what is meant
crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 year ago
There are absolutely people who hate people for being religious.
Can you point to one? I don’t see any.
needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 year ago
P.S. : I wrote a detailed thread about this here : lemmy.world/post/2739891
needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hmm. If I meet people who are deeply anti religious, I prefer them to show hatred equally to all of them. So I know there’s no ethno-cultural aspect ti their hatred and it’s strictly philosophical. I also understand specific reject based on life experiences.
Overall, I feel better around people who are at least a little open to understanding some people want to believe in something and not necessarily belittling religion. But I deeply resent people who aggressively tried to convert me too their religion. And I’d never try to make someone who believes an atheist.
WiseMoth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well said! I think I agree with pretty much all of that
needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Although I’m not totally satisfied with what I wrote. I may write a new thread about all this whenever I have time to think about it better.
electrogamerman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As a gay men, I am very anti Islam and I dont care what people think of me. Sure, im anti any religion, but Islam actively persecutes gay men and countries with a majority of Islam have death penalty on gay men. People coming to west Europe from Islamic countries are bringing their homophobic thinking and unfortunately there has been several attacks from Islamic people where members of the lgbt community have ended in the hospital with broken bones.
No religion is good but Islam is a cancer for LGBT people
CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The problem is where the mainstream lies. In Islam, the mainstream is fundamentalism. Of course, fundamentalism is a problem for Christianity and every other religion too, but right now that is not the mainstream of those sects. And that is why Islam gets criticized more heavily than other religions.
guangming@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There are 1.9 BILLION Muslims globally.
You think the vast majority of them are fundamentalists?
CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Certainly not the majority, but mainstream doesn’t require a majority.
Madison420@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bruh the only reason Christians aren’t doing the same is so people like you give them the moral high ground ignoring the literal billions of deaths associated with Christianity. You fell for it, they make moves behind closed doors rather than screaming it from the rooftops but that doesn’t mean what they’re doing isn’t actually more heinous.
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s disengenuious to say Christianity isn’t changing to be more welcoming though, ay least in some places. Look at the Church if England and their change of opinion on things over the years.
Madison420@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s disingenuous to claim that the minority of Christianity represents the whole. That aside it’s a religion based just as much on hate is Islam, Islamics are just out in the open about it.
electrogamerman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can you elaborate in the billions of deaths associated with Christianity?
thegreekgeek@midwest.social 1 year ago
Well about six million of them are from the crusades.