well the official data admits that flu vaccines have been the least effective in recent years, that plus covid "vaccines" being ineffective and things like sanitation being argued to play a strong role have made vaccines look less effective in general to me

plus they often de-emphasize other heslthy things you can do to boost immune system (sun, diet, exercise, etc.)

plus there was that hpv vaccine scandal where instead of just promoting abstinence they were trying to vaccinate kids against an STD

plus we've heard "if we do a good job with vaccines, we can lower the population numbers" ... umm what?~~___~~