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I agree with the basic idea, but there’s not some fundamental distinction between what we have now and true AI.

Are AIs we have at our disposal able and allowed to self-improve on their own? As in: can they modify their own internal procedures and possibly reshape their own code to better themselves, thus becoming more than their creators predicted them to be?

There’s nothing the human brain can do that they can’t, so with enough resources they can imitate the human brain.

Human brain can:

interfere with any of its “hardware” and break it
go insane
preocupy itself with absolutely pointless stuff
create for the sake of creation itself
develop and upkeep illusions it will begin to trust to be real
choose ad act against undeniable proof given to it

These are of course tongue-in-cheek examples of what a human brain can, but - from the persepctive of neuroscience, psychology and a few adjacent fields of study - it is absolutely incorrect to say that AIs can do what a human brain can, because we’re still not sure how our brains work, and what they are capable of.

Based on some dramatic articles we see in news that promise us “trauma erasing pills”, or “new breakthrough in healing Alzheimer” we may tend to believe that we know what this funny blob in our heads is capable of, and that we have but a few small secrets to uncover, but the fact is, that we can’t even be sure just how much is there to discover.

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Archpawn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Are AIs we have at our disposal able and allowed to self-improve on their own?

Yes. That’s what training is. There’s systems for having them write their own training data. And ultimately, an AI that’s good enough at copying a human can write any text that human can. Humans can improve AI by writing code. So can an AI. Humans can improve AI by designing new microchips. So can an AI.

These are of course tongue-in-cheek examples of what a human brain can, but - from the persepctive of neuroscience, psychology and a few adjacent fields of study - it is absolutely incorrect to say that AIs can do what a human brain can, because we’re still not sure how our brains work, and what they are capable of.

We know they follow the laws of physics, which are turing complete. And we have pretty good reason to believe that their calculations aren’t reliant on quantum physics.

Individual neurons are complicated, but there’s no reason to believe they exact way they’re complicated matters. They’re complicated because they have to be self-replicating and self-repairing.

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- jesterraiin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Yes. That’s what training is.
  
  I’m not talking about building a database of data harvested from external sources. I’m not talking about the designs they make.
  
  I’m asking whether AIs are able and allowed to modify THEIR OWN code.
  
  We know they follow the laws of physics, which are turing complete.
  
  Scientists are continuously baffled by the universe - very physical thing - and things they discover there. The point is that the knowledge that a thing follows certain specific laws does not give us the understanding of it and the mastery over it.
  
  We do not know the full extent of what our brains are capable of. We do not even know where “the full extent” may end. Therefore we can’t say that AIs are capable to do what our brains can, even if the underlying principle seem “basic” and “straightforward”.
  
  It’s like comparing a calculator to a supercomputer and claiming the former can do what the latter does, because “it’s all 0s and 1s, man”. 😉
  
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  - Archpawn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    I’m asking whether AIs are able and allowed to modify THEIR OWN code.
    
    Yes. They can write code. Right now the don’t have a big enough context window to write anything very useful, but scale everything up enough and they could.
    
    Scientists are continuously baffled by the universe - very physical thing - and things they discover there. The point is that the knowledge that a thing follows certain specific laws does not give us the understanding of it and the mastery over it.
    
    And my point is that neural networks don’t require understanding of whatever they’re trained on. The reason I brought up that human brains are turing complete is just to show that an algorithm for human-level intelligence exists. Given that, a sufficiently powerful neural network would be able to find one.
    
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    jesterraiin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    Yes. They can write code.
    
    You don’t seem to understand me, or are trying very hard to not understand me.
    
    I’ll try again, but if it fails, I’ll assume it’s “bring horse to the water” case.
    
    Co: can AIs write their own code? As in “rewrite the code that is them”? Not write some small pieces of code, a small app, but can their write THEIR OWN code, the one that makes them run?
    
    And my point is that neural networks don’t require understanding of whatever they’re trained on.
    
    Your point does not address my argument.
    
    You can’t compare a thing to a thing you neither understand nor can predict its capabilities.
    
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