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masterofballs@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

A well balanced plant based diet is nutritionally complete.

False. Plant based diets miss many different nutrients

List of known nutrients that vegan diets either can’t get at all or are typically low in, especially when uninformed and for people with special needs. Vegans will always say that “you can get X nutrient from Y specific source”, but a full meal plan with sufficient quantities will essentially highlight how absurd a “well-planned” vegan diet is.

Vitamin B12
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine)
Choline
Niacin (bio availability)
Vitamin B2
Vitamin A (Retinol, variable Carotene conversion)
Vitamin D3 (winter, northern latitudes, synthesis requires cholesterol)
Vitamin K2 MK-4 (variable K1 conversion)
Omega-3 (EPA/DHA; conversion from ALA is inefficient, limited, variable, inhibited by LA and insufficient for pregnancy)
Iron (bio availability)
Zinc (bio availability)
Calcium
Selenium
Iodine
Protein (per calorie, digestibility, Lysine, Leucine, elderly people, athletes)
Creatine (conditionally essential)
Carnitine (conditionally essential)
Carnosine
Taurine (conditionally essential)
CoQ10
Conjugated linoleic acid
Cholesterol
Arachidonic Acid (conditionally essential)
Glycine (conditionally essential)

Historically, humans have always needed animal products and are highly adapted to meat consumption. There has never been a recorded civilization of humans that was able to survive without animal foods. Isotopic evidence shows that the first modern humans ate lots of meat and were the only natural predator of adult mammoths. Most of their historic technology and cave paintings revolved around hunting animals. Our abilities to throw and sweat likely developed for this reason. Our stomach’s acidity is in the same range as obligate carnivores and its shape has changed so much from other hominids that we can’t even digest cellulose anymore. The vegan diet is born out of ideology, not science.

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chetradley@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Please tell me which of these you wouldn’t feasibly get through a well balanced plant based diet? I see this thoroughly debunked copypasta constantly, and the assumptions it makes are laughable. It ignores critical things like fortified foods, nutrients in non-plants like mushrooms and yeast, and how absorption of vitamins can be enhanced (for example, vitamin C greatly enhances absorption of non-heme iron).

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- squashkin@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  debunked copypasta
  
  got a link to the alleged debunking?
  
  fortified foods
  
  not really natural (so not good in a survival setting?)
  
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  - chetradley@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Here you go: youtu.be/xhEstYpyhvc.
    
    Are you in a survival setting??
    
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- masterofballs@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Please tell me which of these you wouldn’t feasibly get through a well balanced plant based diet?
  
  See, the onus is on you. You want to come up with a diet that has never in the history of the human race been used to create and maintain a society. You need to come up with a diet plan that includes all of the nutrients I mentioned in ample amounts. Present it to us so we can laugh at it and point out it’s flaws. We know diets that include meat work. Because those diets are the reason you are here.
  
  fortified foods
  
  Like dog food?
  
  vitamin C greatly enhances absorption of non-heme iron
  
  Iron is one of the biggest issues with plant based diets in women. Especially those giving birth. My wife’s own nurse told us a story after my wife gave birth. How they were trying to get the iron levels to rize in a woman who lost lots of blood but would not take a blood transfusion (for religious reasons). They tried supplements, spinach. Didn’t work. Hours after eating liver her iron levels went right up where they needed to be.
  
  Iron absorption is trash in plants. A few people do have the ability to absort more iron or vitamin A from plants but many can’t at all. Thats why you see vegan children all having those huge glasses. Their eyes went to shit from no nutrition.
  
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  - chetradley@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’m not coming up with anything. I saw that the majority of dieticians agree that with proper planning, a plant based diet is healthy, so I put the time into planning a diet that works for me. There’s nothing on your list that I’m not getting from non-animal sources.
    
    Here’s a debunk of the list with sources: youtu.be/xhEstYpyhvc.
    
    Dog food? Lol. Breakfast cereals, plant milks and breads are examples of fortified foods.
    
    Here’s a study to back up what I said about iron absorption. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6940487/
    
    Feel free to link a study attributing vegan diets and glasses if you would like to back up your anecdotal claim.
    
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    masterofballs@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    Here’s a debunk of the list with sources: youtu.be/xhEstYpyhvc.
    
    That was not a debunking in the least. That was a 19 minute youtube advertisement for vegan supplements. It completely ignores the countless vegans who tried for years and ended up with severe health problems because abortion rate Varies from person to person. ESPECIALLY VITAMIN A
    
    You can eat dog food and stuff you mouth with supplements all you want i’m gonna enjoy, steak fix eggs and enjoy being healthy strong, fertile and happy.
    
    Feel free to link a study attributing vegan diets and glasses if you would like to back up your anecdotal claim.
    
    Feel free to show me a society that produces healthy fertile offspring on a strict vegan diet. There aren’t enough long term fertile vegans to study because like 80% of vegans give up. There are almost no multi generational vegans
    
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