I actually tried vegan. I lasted less than 2 weeks. I believe you that a plant based diet can be complete but the issue is you need to invest a lot of time and plan out literally every meal. And you need to do it from day one or you will take damage (e.g. calcium loss). A normal diet with meat, by contrast, you will end up getting enough of what you need almost by accident. No planning needed, no fear of a catastrophic mistake.
If people really want vegan to take off then STFU about morals and all that and make some sort of easy-mode meals. I mean like “monday breakfast, monday snack, monday lunch, etc.” so people to lazy or who don’t have the time literally can’t screw it up.
masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
False. Plant based diets miss many different nutrients
List of known nutrients that vegan diets either can’t get at all or are typically low in, especially when uninformed and for people with special needs. Vegans will always say that “you can get X nutrient from Y specific source”, but a full meal plan with sufficient quantities will essentially highlight how absurd a “well-planned” vegan diet is.
Historically, humans have always needed animal products and are highly adapted to meat consumption. There has never been a recorded civilization of humans that was able to survive without animal foods. Isotopic evidence shows that the first modern humans ate lots of meat and were the only natural predator of adult mammoths. Most of their historic technology and cave paintings revolved around hunting animals. Our abilities to throw and sweat likely developed for this reason. Our stomach’s acidity is in the same range as obligate carnivores and its shape has changed so much from other hominids that we can’t even digest cellulose anymore. The vegan diet is born out of ideology, not science.
chetradley@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Please tell me which of these you wouldn’t feasibly get through a well balanced plant based diet? I see this thoroughly debunked copypasta constantly, and the assumptions it makes are laughable. It ignores critical things like fortified foods, nutrients in non-plants like mushrooms and yeast, and how absorption of vitamins can be enhanced (for example, vitamin C greatly enhances absorption of non-heme iron).
squashkin@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
got a link to the alleged debunking?
not really natural (so not good in a survival setting?)
chetradley@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Here you go: youtu.be/xhEstYpyhvc.
Are you in a survival setting??
masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
See, the onus is on you. You want to come up with a diet that has never in the history of the human race been used to create and maintain a society. You need to come up with a diet plan that includes all of the nutrients I mentioned in ample amounts. Present it to us so we can laugh at it and point out it’s flaws. We know diets that include meat work. Because those diets are the reason you are here.
Like dog food?
Iron is one of the biggest issues with plant based diets in women. Especially those giving birth. My wife’s own nurse told us a story after my wife gave birth. How they were trying to get the iron levels to rize in a woman who lost lots of blood but would not take a blood transfusion (for religious reasons). They tried supplements, spinach. Didn’t work. Hours after eating liver her iron levels went right up where they needed to be.
Iron absorption is trash in plants. A few people do have the ability to absort more iron or vitamin A from plants but many can’t at all. Thats why you see vegan children all having those huge glasses. Their eyes went to shit from no nutrition.
chetradley@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m not coming up with anything. I saw that the majority of dieticians agree that with proper planning, a plant based diet is healthy, so I put the time into planning a diet that works for me. There’s nothing on your list that I’m not getting from non-animal sources.
Here’s a debunk of the list with sources: youtu.be/xhEstYpyhvc.
Dog food? Lol. Breakfast cereals, plant milks and breads are examples of fortified foods.
Here’s a study to back up what I said about iron absorption. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6940487/
Feel free to link a study attributing vegan diets and glasses if you would like to back up your anecdotal claim.