Comment on So what happened with the protests in Iran?

• Cagi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  … but those ideas are pretty old. Today we see the will people, Being twisted and conformed into cloying treacle. By concent or force, it does not matter, They’ll take all we are and serve it on a platter.

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  • Shit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not disagreeing with you but I think what we see is a minority of people with the protests. It seems like there is not really much political will to change anything from the half of the country with a penis, and the older females.

    The whole thing is pretty sad but from my understanding when things like this happen they generally blame the west and the majority go along with it.

    Honestly as a westerner Iran is pretty irrelevant to my life. It’s not like we can invade them or force them to overthrow the government and if we did people would never shut up about it.

    Look at Afghanistan the USA spent so much money trying to spread liberal democratic ideas, integrate and educate women but as soon as we left they went back to how it always was. There is no civil war, the majority just consented to the Taliban rule.

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    • Cagi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, absolutely, it is a minority. But I don’t think it’s entirely irrelevant. The clergy used religion to twist and conform the will of the people, turning their views into Sharia treacle. Human suffering is relevant in an empathetic way, but it’s also good to know that human society can look like Iran with the majoritys support. Western society could end up in as bad a spot as Iran, all it takes is a revolution. There is a growing christian theocracy movement in every western country. Disillusionment with western capitalism and democracy is as high as ever and as things get worse, theocratic dictatorships become more and more appealing to more people. There is a non-zero chance we could have our own Iranian style revolution in just a few generations.

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      • Shit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I agree mostly. It’s like North Korea, I can’t really do anything to change the situation. My government can’t change the situation. We can try to push some buttons to help foster change but we can’t force it. Change has to come from within.

        Have you listened to the it could happen here podcast? The first episodes(the story ones) are pretty good.

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• markr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Iran is a fascist theocracy. There is no ‘consent of the people’ operative there. The theocrats kill enough people to stay in power.

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• dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Only in democratic countries.

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• HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Consent can be compelled through violence.

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