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• PizzaMane@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are these people racist?

  Who? Be more clear.

  Once again you don’t get to define a symbol.

  I never said I could. It’s already been defined elsewhere as a hare symbol, and a symbol or slavery.

  You thought it was the flag of the confederate states which it isn’t.

  I never said that. I have more than 2 braincells, which is more than can be said for many people and therefore I am capable of realizing that when the term “the confederate flag” comes up, I can acknowledge that while technically not correct, [this)(…wikipedia.org/…/Modern_display_of_the_Confederat…) is the one that people are generally referencing. It’s a hate symbol, and a representation of the confederacy, for which the entire purpose was protecting slavery.

  And evidently that’s too complicated for you.

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  • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You have to click on the link and read. Not everyone thinks it’s a hate symbol.

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    • PizzaMane@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cherypicking is fun

      The Confederate flag is a controversial symbol for many Americans today. A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a “negative reaction” when “they saw the Confederate flag displayed.”[46] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) did not react. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction, and 45% did not. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011.[47]

      In an October 2013 YouGov poll, a plurality (38%) of those polled disapproved of displaying the flag in public places.[48] In the same poll, a plurality (44%) of those asked viewed the flag as a symbol of racism, with 24% viewing it as exclusively racist and 20% viewing it as both racist and symbolic of pride in the region. 35% viewed it exclusively as a symbol of regional pride.[48]

      In a national survey in 2015 across all races, 57% of Americans believed that the Confederate flag represented Southern pride rather than racism. A similar poll in 2000 had a nearly identical result of 59%. However, poll results from only the South yielded a completely different result: 75% of Southern whites described the flag as a symbol of pride. Conversely, 75% of Southern blacks said the flag symbolized racism.[49]

      Another poll, administered by Economist / YouGov after racially motivated violence in Charleston in August 2017, showed that by a 5% margin – 43% to 38% – the Confederate Flag was viewed as a symbol of southern pride rather than racism. However, participants of color were 32% more likely than their white neighbors to see it as a sign of racism.[50]

      In July 2020, over a month after the George Floyd incident, Quinnipiac released a poll[51] showing that the majority of both Southerners and Americans in general now viewed the Confederate flag as a racist symbol rather than one of heritage, with 55% of Southerners associating the Confederate flag with racism compared to 36% who said the flag a symbol of Southern pride. Closely followed were Americans in general, 56% of whom said the flag was a symbol of racism, with 35% saying it was a symbol of southern pride.

      This contrasted with polling[52] conducted Morning Consult and Politico right after the George Floyd incident, which showed nearly the opposite - 44 percent of saw the Confederate flag as symbol of Southern pride, and 36 percent saw it as racist.

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      • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And? It’s not as cut and dry as you claim which isn’t shocking. The number even in the other polls show a large group still see it southern pride.

        As I said it’s complex but by default it isn’t a racist symbol. If anything it’s an anti-government symbol as it’s consistently been used as one.

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