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Comment on Border Crisis: Shocking Data Reveals Illegal Immigrants Outnumber American Births

Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Not really. The democrats want to unfuck the regulation preventing legal immigration. Until that happens (can’t happen till the GOP stops blocking attempts to reform), the only pathway for a lot of people will be illegal immigration.

We take in a fifth of the world’s immigrants, last time I checked. At some point, you have to say “This is too many, please take a number and wait your turn”. Have you seen Canada’s issues? They can’t build homes quick enough, let alone upgrade infrastructure. There is a rate of immigrants that can be handled, and we’re well beyond that.

Illegal immigration just creates more problems, and is entirely selfish. Hell, just sending a few thousand to NYC caused massive problems that it was considered an attack. That’s less than what we get in one day.

So then you’re aware that the republican party more closely represents a desire for cheap labor/slave labor than the democratic party. You have no real point.

No it doesn’t. There was no change in policies at all. The democrats are still for the same things they were in the civil war.

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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

They can’t build homes quick enough, let alone upgrade infrastructure

Isn’t that something th liberals complain about here? Not enough housing and it’s to expensive. Yet their solution is bring in more people to strain the system.

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- Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh it very much is what they complain about. I think they want to suffer more
  
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  - wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s why I can’t take them seriously.
    
    They want living wages then complain the price went up. They want feee healthcare then find out nothing is free. I just can’t imagine living my life so clueless of consequences.
    
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    Remmock@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nobody left of center has ever nor will ever assume that Federal Healthcare is “free”. We could fund healthcare for a tenth of what we’re spending on failed DARPA projects and fighter jets that are .00001% faster than their previous generation.
    
    https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/
    
    In fact, the government would save money. To that effect, it would be like instituting “free” healthcare.
    
    Healthcare for All is the fiscally responsible option.
    
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PizzaMane@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
We take in a fifth of the world’s immigrants, last time I checked. At some point, you have to say “This is too many, please take a number and wait your turn”.

Sure, there is technically a limit. But I effect not really. We are a nation of immigrants. Immigration and diversity has always been one of the core strengths of this country. It’s shortsighted to fuck over one of our core strengths.

That, and immigrants are generally a net positive for the economy, and are just trying to escape a shitty life elsewhere. So it’s ultimately a good thing.

Have you seen Canada’s issues? They can’t build homes quick enough, let alone upgrade infrastructure.

They absolutely can. They just choose not to. They have too many NIMBYs and lack the motivation to deal with rent seekings slumlords/corpos.

Illegal immigration just creates more problems, and is entirely selfish.

People are trying to escape their destroyed homes for a better life for themselves, their family, and their children. And they are willing to work for it (providing value to our country in turn, through labor and taxes).

I’m quite ok with that.

Hell, just sending a few thousand to NYC caused massive problems that it was considered an attack. That’s less than what we get in one day.

Let’s say:

I have 10 bags

Each bag can hold 1,000 marbels before it begins to rip

Each bag currently has 500 marbels

I need to figure out to do with an additional 5,000 marbels that I’ve been given

There are two proposed solutions, and an ongoing fuckery.

Proposal 1: Evenly distribute the marbels so each bag gets 500 new marbels. No individual bag is strained or ripping.

Proposal 2: Throw the new marbels in the trash.

Ongoing fuckery: Another person is trying to send all 5,000 marbels to a single city.

Democrats are in favor of proposal one. Republicans are in favor of proposal two, while doing the ongoing fuckery.

We absolutely have the room. New immigrants make up a fraction of a percent of the U.S. pop. If they were granted legal status and spread out roughly uniformly, it wouldn’t be a problem.

The democrats are still for the same things they were in the civil war.

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- Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  To go with your analogy, I’d add that each bag is a different size. Rhode Island can’t take as many immigrants as California for instance. A tiny border town can’t take as much NYC as another example.
  
  Right now the Texas bag is stuffed and bulging and tearing at the seams. NYC is practically empty comparatively, yet they’re still having problems with a few thousand marbles.
  
  And it’s not like it’s the sort of thing where 1000 marbles is fine and 1001 will destroy everything, Everything simply gets worse and worse and it doesn’t end with a bang, just a whimper.
  
  Finally, it’s a fire hose of marbles, a ridiculous amount of marbles. From 400,000 marbles in 2020 to over 2 million in 2022. That’s almost an entire percent of the population, in just one year, and it’s not like they leave, they stay forever. Year after year, just compounding the issue and always getting worse.
  
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  - wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m not against immigration in general but for the environment we only have so much space. There is a certain point where we just can’t have more people. We don’t need more people. We need less people. That’ll solve many of our problems.
    
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  - PizzaMane@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    To go with your analogy, I’d add that each bag is a different size. Rhode Island can’t take as many immigrants as California for instance. A tiny border town can’t take as much NYC as another example.
    
    Right now the Texas bag is stuffed and bulging and tearing at the seams
    
    Agreed.
    
    NYC is practically empty comparatively, yet they’re still having problems with a few thousand marbles.
    
    I wouldn’t go that far. While they may technically have more room, the amount of fighting for that room is far higher NYC than anywhere else. And the cost for land/residences in NYC is far higher than anywhere else.
    
    If it cost $40,000 per marble to put then in bag A, and the rest of the bags cost $23,000, it makes far more sense to place them in the rest of the bags.
    
    The median rent in NYC is ~$3,375 vs U.S. median of ~$1,967. And that’s before accounting for the fact that due to size restrictions NYC residences cannot individually house as many people.
    
    And it’s not like it’s the sort of thing where 1000 marbles is fine and 1001 will destroy everything, Everything simply gets worse and worse and it doesn’t end with a bang, just a whimper.
    
    Agreed. But it’s just a metaphor.
    
    Finally, it’s a fire hose of marbles, a ridiculous amount of marbles. From 400,000 marbles in 2020 to over 2 million in 2022. That’s almost an entire percent of the population, in just one year, and it’s not like they leave, they stay forever. Year after year, just compounding the issue and always getting worse.
    
    A fraction of a percent of the population isn’t that much. The explosion of baby boomers had a bigger effect, at 4.4million a year, which was far worse given that the population in the U.S. was significantly smaller. And when they were born they weren’t even capable of providing for themselves like immigrants are, who are pretty much immediately capable of providing for themselves. If we were able to handle twice the amount of baby boomers who sat on their asses not working for a minimum of a decade and a half, we can handle proportionally half the number of immigrants who are pretty much immediately able to start working and contributing to society and taxes.
    
    And the already manageable numbers will die down again soon provided we stop raping central and latin america. The U.S. played a huge part in causing this issue. It’s only fair that we play part in handling the fallout.
    
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