Comment on She-Hulk star says there’s no hope for season 2
Pissnpink@feddit.uk 9 months agoI didn’t think it was bad at all. I think some people just didn’t like the humor. I enjoyed the whole season. To me, the storytelling was solid: the pacing was good, charachters were fleshed out with solid motivations, and the humor was topical and stemmed from the charachters motivations. I see how it can feel out of place from the rest of disneys marvel, but, tbh, I feel like it was just a lot of misogyny. It was girl humor so it was deemed lesser, silly, not as important as the rest of the mcu.
realcaseyrollins 9 months ago
I mean...the humor was generally pretty bad though. The exception I'd give was episode 4, there were some genuinely hilarious moments in that episode.
But generally, the biggest problem was the writing. The acting was fire, but they didn't write the main character to be appealing at all and they didn't give her any consequences for her negative behavior either (the best shows do this, like Succession). They didn't give Jen any character growth either, and the fact that her character doesn't really change very much keeps the show boring for the most part.
I feel like the real misogyny comes from saying it's misogynist to criticize the movie because it's made by women. We know that women can do better than this, even when they're feminists and making feminist media, like with Barbie for example.
Pissnpink@feddit.uk 9 months ago
I disagree that her character wasn’t showing growth. Idk what you think she should have grown towards, but she was making decisions (good and bad, like humans do) and living with those consequences. It feels like there was a bigger arch they were building towards that we just didn’t get to yet.
But I get that part of it is objective. For me and my experience, I would say she was showing growth.
This is where the conversation of “misogyny” comes in. Its not for you, so its “bad.” It’s okay that the humor wasn’t for you. Not everything is for me, and not everything has to be for you. There is plenty of media that isn’t for me that I still would say is objectively good, even if I’d never put it on purposefully.
I think that show was trying to bring in people that were not the mcu normal demographic. For someone whose hunor and tatses are a little different. I watched that show with friends that aren’t into marvel at all and enjoyed it.
But maybe there were too few like me whose ven diagram of intrest and experience converged where that show was trying to live.
realcaseyrollins 9 months ago
Jen started liking herself more by the end, but I don't know if one could call that an arc necessarily, since it didn't really affect her behavior all too much. She maintained the same amount of arrogance throughout the entire show without facing any consequences for that behavior either, which is different from other characters in the MCU who have been done better because they were allowed to grow out of their arrogance (like Iron Man).
But when it comes to humor...maybe there is like a compilation of the jokes? But the writing was so bad it was hard to catch them. Maybe I'd have to squint a bit more to see the punchlines. But it's not a matter of the humor being "not for me"; Teen Titans Go and Friends humor is "not for me" (to be fair some of TTG's humor is bad as well, but not all of it), but the She-Hulk humor was just bad.
While I do understand that the show is targeting a different demographic, that doesn't excuse how bad it is. That reminds me of the folks who say that it's fine for kids shows and movies to be bad because they're just for kids. And it's not even possible to target the same demographic and make something good; like I would say that Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel (which was certainly not for me) were far better and also targeted a somewhat similar audience.
Pissnpink@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Look, I’m not going to, and I dont want to, convince you to like it. And you wont convince me to not like it. It’s art, it’s objective. That’s okay.
However, If you compare it to other media popular for it’s target audience, it’s very much in line with the attitude and humor. Television shows like Fleabag and Insecure, books like Ottessa Moshfegh’s My Year of Rest and Relaxation or Raven Leilani’s Luster. If you are enjoying or following this movement in art, and are a part of that conversation, you would probably think it’s good, funny, interesting.
Look it’s not for you, why isn’t that okay? Does everything I’m the mcu need to be for you, or can the space be big enough for others?