Comment on Burnham signals support for bill to make ‘Black English’ and ‘Asian English’ census options
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 2 days ago…and this shows the census before (2001) and the census after (2011), after a bunch of bnp proto-ukippy knobs had cried enough to try and get “English” added to sub-options for “ethnic group”.
Also, “Ethnic group” is still not the same as “Race”.
I’m sure I’ve only ever seen this argument once before, and I’m now suspecting it was probably from you.
mlcgdrhu@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Remind me… How is English not an ethnicity?
How can you have only seen this argument once before if “bnp proto-ukippy knobs” were crying about it three decades ago? Good to hear someone else has corrected you on Lemmy tho, you’re disingenuous.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Sorry, I missed this before - apologies, I wasn’t clear enough - I meant “I’ve only seen one person shout about this on Lemmy” like within the last year or so.
It was from when the UKIP/Reform types were all wetting their nappies because Rishi Sunak had referred to himself as English.
My apologies - it seemingly wasn’t you who was shouting about this, it was someone with a different username, who seemingly got banned about 5 months ago for being a racist/paedo/traitor/russian-spam-factory or whatever etc.
British is a Nationality. English is a sub-nationality. If Britain separated into England/Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland, then “English” would be the nationality of people born in the “England” bit.
The ethnicity bit is “white” or perhaps “European” or “caucasian”.
There’s no solitary English “ethnicity”.
For example, a chap whose family have lived in the North East for 500 years have a lot more “ethnically” in common with someone from Scandinavia than with someone from the South of England - but in the larger scale of things they’re both “white”.
Anyway, I very much doubt we’ll ever agree on this, so I’ll leave you to it.
mlcgdrhu@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
You lack understanding. I suggest you read more, perhaps start with the definition of ethnicity.
Flip what you’ve said, replace white with black and you should be able to see how wrong you are. If you can’t, you’re racist.
TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social 1 day ago
They literally spelled it out for you
idealism_nearby@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean you pretty much said it yourself, the census says “White: English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British”. It doesn’t differentiate between these groups. One of them is literally 3 of them stuck together.
mlcgdrhu@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Let’s say I agree (I don’t)… Then what is “Black English”?
flamingos@feddit.uk 1 day ago
A black person who is English? Do you think a person who was born in England, speaks English with a regional accent, eats English food, and practices English customs can’t call themselves English because they can’t trace an arbitrary amount of their DNA to the Normans?
idealism_nearby@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Again, literally not even in your source