Comment on Im not conservative enough to be a liberal

Nihilore@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• ComradeMiao@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Words can have more than one meaning. Liberalism means one thing politically and another philosophically. Arguing it means only one thing is misleading and wrong.

  But yes American liberals are not helpful at best

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• Keepthoseeyeslockedonmine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The classical definition is actually free markets with protection from harm, which is very different

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  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They still believe in the concept of a free market and capitalism being good. What we’ve seen with attempts to regulate is either the companies ignore it because the fines are less than what it’d cost to follow the law, skirt around it in some way, or just buy up people to then strike it.

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    • blubasaur@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Then you’re not regulating it properly are you?.. there are tons of regulations in play that do work.

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      • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Companies still dump untreated waste water right into water ways even with regulation. I just see it an endless chase of the capitalists one step ahead at all times at least, often more because it takes time to draft regulation. Capitalism has only brought “prosperity” to a few from the continued exploitation of others. It still believes growth infinite in a closed system.

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    • Keepthoseeyeslockedonmine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You’ve seen attempts to regulate that are generally company-sponsored and ineffective in preventing the harms the regulations are intended to prevent. Or you’ve seen out and out corruption which buys democracy and breaks it. Liberalism, as I understand it (as a European) allows state ownership and a free market, in different goods and dependent upon conditions in that market, to prioritise people over capital

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  • 2ndDegreeOWO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The definition I’d go with is: “Anyone who is in favor of both free market capitalism and individual rights.”

    Which, yeah, would be kind of neat if you could have both. But the former tends to erode the latter quite badly over time.

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    • Forester@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s called a classical liberal fyi

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  • Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Great! Welcome to now

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