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ViceroTempus@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Lmao, sorry, sorry. I just wasn’t expecting to get told, wrongly, about history I lived through. Retard didn’t fall out of favor until the 2010’s, and gay as an insult only started wearing off towards the late 00’s early 10’s which is why you can still see it in media from the time.

Not sure how old you are, but I found it very funny.

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NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Wow I didn’t see that you wrote an almost identical comment first, lol.

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- ViceroTempus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I do that all the time lol. Sometimes you just stop at a comment, do your reply, only to find out someone else beat you to it lol.
  
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  - NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I left it up for solidarity
    
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BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Highschool mid 80s. Maybe I just lived in a more progressive zone, where language changed faster, or people realised it was not couth

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- ViceroTempus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  So two things that makes this believable for me. One you grew into an adult so you weren’t as naturally aware of the younger generation’s lexicon.
  
  And also you lived closer to the inception of the word. Its very possible that “Retard” met the specificity requirement in your time for a slur, and meant a very particular caricature in that time. Which, is what I think is need for a word to be slur. It needs two things Hate, and specificity towards a particular subset of humans. Think about all the other slurs, they very specific aspect to them when you think of the word, to the point you can’t mistake it for another subset of humans. Which is my problem with Retard being a slur, even in the medical diagnoses it was an umbrella term. It wasn’t like “Downs” that was bandied about in my childhood, and IMO is the real slur of my time for this subject.
  
  So I think “Retard” may have just became generalized by the time it my generations lexicon, because I knew the definition as “Incredibly Stupid” before I had ever met a mentally disabled person. And when I had, trust me, I would have gotten my ass beat by my peers if I had even uttered “stupid” in there direction. Which, IMO, would have been the right call. Besides I would never have insulted Ronnie like that, kid was decent and kind.
  
  Btw, this has been interesting to me, and I appreciate this discussion even though there are those that disagree. I hope you know I don’t have any ill-will towards you, and very much enjoyed this.
  
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  - BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I don’t take offense, nobody is going to have exact lived experience. And open debate is much better than division. Your point about younger age group is valid, because it could be they used it extensively but were self aware and refrained in front of a slightly older person.
    
    I saw same decline in the work place with a large swath of age groups. Many rough shop floor types use slurs still, but internal office and customer facing had a large decline in R word and homosexual slurs in my era.
    But there is always one guy dropping it and the group goes quiet.
    
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