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incompetent@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

The Democrats fought for same sex marriage when the Republicans have always been anti-LGBTQ. Republicans spent so much money on ads that lied about us wanting to marry animals, etc. and the Democrats were still able to push it through.

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silentjohn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
yes, broadly dems fight for lgbtq … when it’s beneficial to them. For most Dems, lgbtq rights are just a bargaining chip, and not embedded into the platform as it is for DSA, for example.

“Corporations are fine with exhibiting symbolically pro-queer behavior—perhaps sponsoring a gay pride festival or lobbying the Governor of North Carolina—but only when it’s marketable”

“The rights of queer people do not depend upon the whims of capital. A broad coalition of the left can fight against the advances of the religious right. We must reject organizations like the Human Rights Campaign, who are funded by and work closely with capital to preserve the capitalist status quo. In doing so, queer people must build alternative organizations that fight for our rights from the perspective of the working class. Only by combating capitalism, and continuing to build a socialism infused with queer radicalism, will queer people dismantle the oppressive structures which harm us.”

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- incompetent@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The conversation I was responding to was comparing Republicans vs. Democrats. Someone was trying to make it seem they’re the same. I was just offering a counterpoint.
  
  yes, broadly dems fight for lgbtq … when it’s beneficial to them. For most Dems, lgbtq rights are just a bargaining chip
  
  As opposed to Republicans, which actively oppose any LGBTQ rights. They are nowhere near the same.
  
  not embedded into the platform as it is for DSA
  
  As far as I’m aware there is no official DSA party (correct me if I’m wrong), the DSA aligned candidates usually run as a Democrat. Have any ever ran as a Republican?
  
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  - silentjohn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    DSA uses the Dem ballot line because there’s virtually no path to victory as a 3rd party. That doesn’t make them Democrats.
    
    Dems and Reps are virtually the same. They both serve capital and corporate interests. The same billionaires funding the Reps also fund the Dems. Nothing has materially improved in decades. In fact, the complete opposite has happened: things have gotten progressively worse every year no matter if the guy in charge is blue or red. But sure, Dems are “winning” the culture war.
    
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