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Comment on The Weekly Discussion Topic - Rougelikes [1]

My personal definition of ‘roguelike’ is a game that is turn based, with perma-death and procedural generation, and ideally is also grid-based. A ‘traditional roguelike,’ to me, is more a specific set of games (Angband, NetHack, etc.), rather than a genre, but if you did want to use ‘traditional roguelike’ as a genre, it’d have all of the above, plus be a fantasy dungeon-crawler RPG. I also do think roguelikes and rogue-lites are meaningfully distinct, or atleast should be, even if most people don’t consider them to be. Rogue-lites can be very fun games, but when I want a roguelike, I want a roguelike, not a fast-paced bullet hell whatever. The best roguelikes I’ve played thus far are Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead (CDDA), and Cogmind. Though I’ve been thinking of picking up Jupiter Hell and Dead Cells when I can, though AFAIK Dead Cells is more of a rogue-lite than a roguelike.

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fcSolar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
One more thing I think is relevant to the discussion on the meaning of ‘roguelike’ is the Berlin Interpretation, though I personally think it’s a touch too narrow as a usable, non-academic definition. Plus roguebasin (where that link is) could probably be placed in the Additional Resources section, being a wiki dedicated to roguelikes.

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- oo1@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  holy f.
  
  what a buch of ner. . . i mean . . .rogues.
  
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- Nacktmull@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
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  The traditional display for roguelikes is to represent the tiled world by ASCII characters.
  
  … and this is why I will always prefer roguelites
  
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- TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Oh yes, I found this and debated including it in the post but personally felt that it was an overly narrow definition. I’ll add it to the resources though!
  
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Arotrios@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Old school upvote and boost for the Angband and Hack links.

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TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Though I’ve played games of the roguelike/lite genre for a while, I actually had to do a bit more of a deep dive to make this post. People ascribe a lot of different meanings to roguelike, and I got entirely conflicting messages on why the term roguelite was created. I hope what I put down is accurate enough!

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- fcSolar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah, opinions on roguelikes/-lites are definitely very divisive, a problem I think that mostly comes down to prescriptive vs descriptive linguistics. Given that, I think you’ve done a perfectly good job in the OP.
  
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saucyloggins@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Do yourself a favor and pick up Dead Cells. It’s absolutely amazing.

They’ve added so much content to it over the years but the runs are still like 30-45 minutes. The randomized items and gear are masterfully done. It’s like mini-diablo gear builds in 30 minutes, but better than recent Diablos. You get item synergies going etc.

The platforming/combat is snappy and satisfying.

It also understands what makes roguelike games fun that a lot of roguelite games miss. Each run feels different and new so it’s always exciting to start a new run.

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