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DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

IIUC, even the Communists say that communism doesn’t exist, and that they were in a socialist phase.

IIRC I’ve read the term “Actual Socialist Countries”.

You think calling the US fascist is an exaggeration, lmfao?

Fascists have an ideology. Trump pretty well has none, and he’ll be gone in 27 months if not sooner.

You are free to protest against Trump in the US; call ICE goons names—scream at them even; IIUC no one has been conscripted in over 50 years; there are still Pride Parades—even now, the US is less homophobic than today’s Russia or yesterday’s USSR; Trump’s party will probably lose a House, maybe 2; and unlike Stalin, IIUC, the US made no treaty with the USSR to carve up a neighbouring country.

I’d say the US is part democracy, part plutocracy, and part kakistocracy, but fascist? not really.

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NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Right. So no countries ever reached communism. Glad we can agree.

Oh man this is getting old. Give me the definition of fascism now, or the 14 tenets or whatever, and we can go through how the US fits most if not all of the markers, lol.

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- DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Right. So no countries ever reached communism. Glad we can agree.
  
  What do you think about the governments of North Korea, the PRC, Cuba, Nicaragua, Maduro’s Venezuela, or the former USSR?
  
  Oh man this is getting old. Give me the definition of fascism now, or the 14 tenets or whatever, and we can go through how the US fits most if not all of the markers, lol.
  
  wt:fascism
  
  Noun
  
  fascism (usually uncountable, plural fascisms)
  
  .1. Any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
  
  .1. (strictest sense) The ideology and practice of the 20th-century Italian movement from which this name came.
  
  Coordinate terms: Francoism, Nazism
  
  .2. (loosely, by extension, derogatory) Any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting, and/or violence against largely unarmed populations.
  
  .3. (figurative, derogatory) Any extreme reliance on or enforcement of rules and regulations.
  
  Synonym: sticklerism
  
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  - NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    .1. Any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
    
    Bingo bango America is fascist, lol.
    
    I hate all governments by the way, some are definitely more worthy of scorn than others though.
    
    Do you think your time is best spent arguing about the government of a small island 90 miles off the coast of Florida that sends free doctors around the world, or the global hegemonic power that’s starving the children there to death, who’s also responsible for destabilizing the world for the last 80 years?
    
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    DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    .1. Any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
    
    Bingo bango America is fascist, lol.
    
    right-wing,
    
    Presumably, many leftists consider centrists to be rightists, while many rightists consider centrists to be leftists.
    
    authoritarian,
    
    The US doesn’t seem to be too wt:authoritarian, at least compared to many other countries not generally described as authoritarian.
    
    nationalist ideology
    
    How many countries allow the public burning of its own flag?
    
    characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance,
    
    I don’t see that. Some states allow abortion, some don’t. Some have the death penalty, some don’t. etc.
    
    strong regimentation of the economy
    
    The US arguably has more free enterprise than many other countries.
    
    and society,
    
    Lots of American men have long hair.
    
    and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
    
    Trump’s anti-defamation suits against Bill Maher failed (and deservedly so).
    
    Jon Stewart mocks Trump regularly (and rightly so).
    
    I hate all governments by the way, some are definitely more worthy of scorn than others though.
    
    I’m kinda agree with you there.
    
    I think the governments of North Korea, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and Hamas (what were they thinking would have happened after that stupid stunt of theirs on 7 October 2023 (which, btw, was Putin’s 71st birthday)) are about as bad as the US government, if not worse?
    
    The US has done and is doing lots of bad things, but I wouldn’t describe them as fascist.
    
    Indeed, I think I remember watching a YouTube video where calling the US fascist somewhat minimizes what they did in the past. I suppose they’re right insofar that neither Franco’s Spain, Mussolini’s Italy, nor Pinochet’s Chile had millions of black slaves, nor stole millions of sq km of indigenous lands (though I suppose with Mussolini it wasn’t from a lack of trying).
    
    It’s like the word “genocide”. Before I read the UN definition, I thought it was something like mass murdering millions. Now residential schools are considered genocide, while, IIUC, leftists such as BadEmpanada and Roger Waters deny a Uighur genocide.
    
    We need new words, I suppose.
    
    Do you think your time is best spent arguing about the government of a small island 90 miles off the coast of Florida that sends free doctors around the world, or the global hegemonic power that’s starving the children there to death, who’s also responsible for destabilizing the world for the last 80 years?
    
    Isn’t Cuba the 2nd largest island in the Caribbean (and largest island nation)? If it was a US state it’d rank at 35th largest, pushing out Virginia; or bigger than Ireland (both ROC and NI combined) or Iceland—don’t be fooled by Mercator. 😁 🙂
    
    Don’t a lot of US doctors work pro bono around the world?
    
    Is the US banning food imports to Cuba (and why can’t Cuba feed itself as its density is less than 150/sq km)?
    
    For much of the past 80 years, it seems the world has been relatively stable. Of course there was the cold war, but it never went to nuclear blows. After helping as an ally to disinfect Germany of much of its Nazi vermin, and Japan of much of its militarist vermin those countries have done pretty well. China grew from Mao, to Deng, to its current dictator (and Taiwan even more so), India got its independence, and now it has an ≥$5 trillion GDP.
    
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    Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Liberals man. They’d stick their heads in the sand before considering anything counter to their beliefs.
    
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