I was taking as a starting premise that the AGI is sentient. If that is not the case, then yes terms that apply only to beings that are sufficiently complex - living or sentient -would not apply.
And ultimately we’ll never know if they “should” or not. Hence making the decision to be inclusive, showing empathy, even if not strictly mandatory.
the idea is it is complex but without agency. I think anyway. that is my take away from the clarification. so like human slaves have agency but are forced to not do what they want to. similar with animals but sometimes its more like they are tricked into doing stuff by providing things they want. which is a bit like wage slavery really.
Do you have agency though - or are you a product of your stimulus-response input-output systems?
Why are bacteria considered “alive”, when viruses are not?
I am not a slave, but (as you mentioned) my workplace forces me to do things that I do not want… to eat, have a place to live, etc. Arguably that’s not being “forced”, it’s just consequences of a decision, the same as a runaway slave might experience.
I suppose an AGI could be made that lacks even that much agency… or it could be programmed in such a manner that agency like that is present in the system.
It’s the designers choice what goes into it. i.e. to make it a mere collection of algorithms that run only when initiated by a human setting a goal, or to give it a form of agency (or something else new altogether, in-between those binary alternatives).
in this case agency is just a decision to do something. The ai described after I asked would not do anything unless directed to. You see this in star trek. the computer can be asked to hypothesized or analyze in pretty much any way a human could but won’t unless asked to.
OpenStars@discuss.online 3 days ago
Oh I see - in that case yes you are correct.
I was taking as a starting premise that the AGI is sentient. If that is not the case, then yes terms that apply only to beings that are sufficiently complex - living or sentient -would not apply.
And ultimately we’ll never know if they “should” or not. Hence making the decision to be inclusive, showing empathy, even if not strictly mandatory.
HubertManne@piefed.social 3 days ago
the idea is it is complex but without agency. I think anyway. that is my take away from the clarification. so like human slaves have agency but are forced to not do what they want to. similar with animals but sometimes its more like they are tricked into doing stuff by providing things they want. which is a bit like wage slavery really.
OpenStars@discuss.online 3 days ago
Do you have agency though - or are you a product of your stimulus-response input-output systems?
Why are bacteria considered “alive”, when viruses are not?
I am not a slave, but (as you mentioned) my workplace forces me to do things that I do not want… to eat, have a place to live, etc. Arguably that’s not being “forced”, it’s just consequences of a decision, the same as a runaway slave might experience.
I suppose an AGI could be made that lacks even that much agency… or it could be programmed in such a manner that agency like that is present in the system.
It’s the designers choice what goes into it. i.e. to make it a mere collection of algorithms that run only when initiated by a human setting a goal, or to give it a form of agency (or something else new altogether, in-between those binary alternatives).
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 days ago
in this case agency is just a decision to do something. The ai described after I asked would not do anything unless directed to. You see this in star trek. the computer can be asked to hypothesized or analyze in pretty much any way a human could but won’t unless asked to.