Comment on 'The Netherlands also has Islamic grooming gangs' – 10 men gang raped and beat 18-year-old girl, mostly Syrians arrested

Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No, it doesn’t.

  There are occasionally instances of a frat plying a woman with drugs and gang raping her - I covered a story like that last week. But these often don’t get formal rape charges because there is enough indicator that it was consensual and merely recorded without consent and then regretted later. Sometimes, they are even complete hoaxes.

  Generally, when a minor is groomed by heritage or actual Christians in the West, it’s usually a solo operation. Sometimes it is done within the church, sure, just like how public schools are now breeding grounds for female sex offenders. Every other week there’s a new case of a woman in her 20s or 30s banging one or often mulitple high schoolers. Churches/schools are used for access or end up creating the dynamic that emboldens weirdos.

  There is not an issue really of gangs of Christians doing this in the West - there is too strong of a consensus that it is wrong.

  Organized, extended gang rape sessions that can involve imprisonment, abduction, months of ongoing assaults on minors, featuring gatherings of likeminded men just tagged intothe action via social network - these seem to happen exclusively in Muslim circles, at least in the 21st century.

  And, to me, that is what constitutes a grooming gang.

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  • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Demographics for offenders aren't forthcoming. A brief search yielded:

    https://nltimes.nl/2025/06/05/sexual-violence-reports-netherlands-surge-54

    Embedded link article:

    https://nltimes.nl/2024/07/01/tougher-laws-sex-crimes-harassment-abuse-take-effect-netherlands-today

    https://eige.europa.eu/gender-based-violence/countries/netherlands?language_content_entity=en

    https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2024/48/over-1-7-million-victims-of-sexually-transgressive-behaviour

    Being a pharmaceutical researcher, Wesker likely could have done this with more access to paywalled studies.

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  • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is wilful ignorance, at best. I'm willing ti concede it probably doesn't happen as much in the Netherlands as the USA, but the population is a lot less, too.

    Elsewhere, I said:

    Do you think Western women are exempt? It happens so frequently. I recently had a proustite tell me one of her children was by rape by a family member. Another was trafficked at ab early age to her mother's abuser for a discount on antiques. Not free antiques, a discount. The mother was extremely abusive because this woman chose poverty over prostitution, or legalized prostitution by marrying a rich man. Another who was trafficked to her stepfather before school age was murdered by a client. Several more traffic try to traffic themselves then end up pimped, for "protection."

    All this in a small village of less than 500 with no less than 20 churches, mothers and/or traffickers all in attendance, the men pimps and johns pastors, deacons, elders. Many end up married to their avoiders, for a veneer of respectability the abusers had from being born the correct gender...

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    • Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, I don’t think Western women are exempt at all, but they do a hell of a lot better than women in places like Iran, India, Pakistan, and the men from those countries who go to Western ones often show exactly why that is the case with their attitudes.

      Another who was trafficked to her stepfather before school age was murdered by a client. Several more traffic try to traffic themselves then end up pimped, for “protection.”

      here’s very few places on the face of the earth where you can find stuff like that because it’s the number one thing that will get the cops to come down like a ton of bricks on you. And rightfully so! I have never heard of this case.

      All this in a small village of less than 500 with no less than 20 churches, mothers and/or traffickers all in attendance, the men pimps and johns pastors, deacons, elders. Many end up married to their avoiders, for a veneer of respectability the abusers had from being born the correct gender…

      This does not describe anything I have ever seen in the US on any scale.

      Every case that involves something like this usually involves a literal cult… But yes, if that is what you are referring to, then, sure, those crazy LSD-breakaway churches are absolute nuts. I agree. But this does not happen at scale anywhere in the US.

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      • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It does happen. We just don't talk about it because of reactions like this. This isn't just LDS ot JW, or Catholics. It's also Baptist, Pentecostal, Holiness, Methodist, Lutheran, SDA, Episcopalian, Evangelical, Apostolic, non-denominational. We don't talk about other abuses either, because of reactions like this. And just FYI, the cops are clients and abusers, too. In my hometown, the ATF cop used to ply young girls with seized contraband to make them more compliant.

        This isn't just rich people, like in the Epstein files. It's poor people who can't buy groceries, pay the light bill, the mechanic, the rent. Or women who want antiques or men who want a promotion.

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• wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Does Netherlands have the same problem?

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  • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    https://worldmetrics.org/grooming-statistics/

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