Comment on Portainer 3.0 is coming, and here's what it means for you — Portainer
pucker4676@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
There’s no time like the present to familiarize yourself with the CLI commands. Docker’s pretty basic. Less is more.
Saw quite a few similar comments under the original post. Enjoying user interfaces is not equivalent to being tech-illiterate. Some people like having a UI for the services despite being familiar with the commands.
Yes, I can do docker container ls, but I like looking at a dashboard.
You can customize the hell out of your terminal emulator. As I said in the other comment, you do you. It’s a security risk, but it’s not my box.
i can manage my lab entirely by cli just fine.
i also like having it visually on a gui
I understand a GUI can be nice to look at, but it can also be a security risk. More permissions, more attack surface. It’s largely an unnecessary addition. But you do you. It’s not my box. I’m trying to migrate from docker to rootless podman. It’s been on my to-do list for quite awhile. There’s only so much segregating you can do with a rootful daemon.
You can run rootless Podman with Portainer, I do too.
Can you elaborate on the ways a home lab is less secure if it runs a container management GUI? I’m open to learning more about it. What additional permissions does a GUI inherently require?
Most companies I worked at used OpenShift in production, and I do not think it was considered an attack vector more than any other component of the ecosystem. I would be surprised if this was a factor when it came to security incidents.
I don’t think that container privilege escalation vulnerabilities are correlated to the use of a GUI. To me, it is not a significant (or otherwise unique) risk. Even less so when we’re talking about a home lab that is only accessible via a VPN.
Well, I learned something new. I didn’t know Portainer supported Podman. I guess it shouldn’t be that surprising, Cockpit does as well.
Any time you’re giving software access to your system you’re increasing attack surface. Even with podman, if you’re running containers properly, the containers have separate users, so your management system is most likely going to need root access. Or at the very least a common group which makes the segregation a moot point.
This topic is always going to be highly personal. Some care, some do not. If you’re only running a media server, then who cares if it’s all lost, but if you’re also hosting all your photos, sensitive documents, etc… It becomes a huge risk for everything to mingle with root access. I can’t imagine anyone would want a third party hanging out behind their firewall regardless.
joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
The real value add of portainer is being able to git-ops compose files.
Setup renovate on that repo and suddenly you have controlled self hosted version updates.
This is especially useful when you host services across multiple servers and manually keeping them updated becomes challenging.