Comment on a tale of two Labor Day messages today

HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  True enough I guess, neither side shows the entire truth, but one has some connection to reality, the other doesn’t.

  And even if both were detached from reality, Biden’s message at least sounds nice, Trump’s message is just an incoherent rant

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• Womble@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Of course the middle class is a thing, its the petite bourgeoisie and the professional managerial classes. Its not what Biden was using it as, workers who aren’t in poverty, but it absolutely is a thing.

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  • HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Those are just delusional workers.

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    • Womble@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You should probably look into some Marxist class analysis if you want to contribute seriously to a discussion like this in left wing circles.

      the Petite bourgeoisie are not workers as they own their own means of production (shopkeepers, sole tradesmen) and combine it with their labour to produce value. This is in direct contrast to workers who don’t and only make a living by selling their labour to capitalists who do own the means of production.

      The PMC is more contentious, but the managerial aspect but them in a position of discipling labour which puts their class interests in opposition to workers, at least to some extent.

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