Comment on Fuckin CEO's and billionaires gotta go
Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoNot liking has nothing to do with it. It’s verified evidence that these people don’t see others as humans, they see us as product. Not even counting the massive human rights violations. These type of people are the ones we should be chanting murder to, because they Choose to do this.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You would have to be an actual lobotomite to think that killing all the billionaires is going to change anything. All the people under them would just take their place? Are you just going to keep killing people endlessly, what’s exactly is that 200 iq play here?
Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If they surrender and face justice, then they get to “live.” and those under them also get to “live” but in prisons, for the rest of thier days. No more freedoms for those who knowingly work with and orchestrate human rights violators. Any resistance by fascists and thier funders to justice should be met with deadly force.
The rules are simple, don’t be a fascist.
Under your logic, killing the hyper evil nazis of 1940 should have made no difference and nazi Germany would still… looks at recent adf win in Germany OK, but at least we got some time without them.
Point being that facisim is evil and it must be stopped by any means necessary.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The point that I made completely flew over your head. I didn’t ask you what you thought the appropriate punishment should be, I specifically criticized the notion that you think that the world’s problems can be solved by a quick fix, which in this case is getting rid of the billionaires.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why this shallow line of thought is flawed. It oversimplifies all the world problems to a single source, which is never the case, and it tries to sell a one time silver bullet solution that promises to immediately fix a lot of the world’s problems quickly, which also never happens. For all your talk about Nazis, this mentality is ironically one of the biggest drivers of evil ideologies in history. All the most bloodthirsty dictators have the same idea of “if we just get rid of all the people we don’t like, the world will surely be a better place”. They all think that history will look kindly on them for doing what they’re doing, but that’s never the case.
Take Mao as an example. He did exactly what you want down to the letter, and the result was the worst man made catastrophe in recorded history. He is responsible for the single highest death toll of any state leader ever, and he is globally recognized as a monster. All of that, and his original goal of getting rid of social classes failed. Despite all the killings and deaths, it changed nothing. China has the highest number of billionaires in the world.
Do you know why Mao failed and why your wish here will fail in the same exact way? It’s because it’s not based on grounded reality. Billionaires just represent a tip of an iceberg. They’re just the top of the economic hierarchy. If you kill them all, they will be immediately replaced by the people right under them, and if you kill those, they will be replaced the people under them, and so on and so forth. In a hierarchal system, vacant positions at the top will always be filled by the next in line. So what is your master plan? To keep killing people until there is no one left? What death toll is good enough to satisfy you?
The next thought for people with beliefs like this is they think that if they can’t solve problems by killing people then they’ll just destroy the system that enables the current hierarchies… but that’s also stupid because you’ll just replace them with a different set of hierarchies. Take a look at the Soviet Union. They tried to get rid of the capitalist hierarchies based on economic wealth by having the state seize and redistribute private wealth. While they got rid of their economic classes, they introduced new political classes that took over as the new elite. The power and wealth that was with the tycoons transferred over to government and party elites. It’s the same problem just reskinned, that’s actually why the USSR collapsed.
This is because you can’t actually get rid of hierarchies. Inequality is literally one of the definition hallmarks of civilization. We are social animals, and all social animals are hierarchal. That’s how we organize ourselves and our societies. It’s a part of our DNA, so trying to get rid of it is a battle lost before it started. That’s why any serious ideology needs to factor this in order to be pass the bare minimum of being considered pragmatic.
As it turns out, history has shown how we can fix the issues we’re seeing today. The reason why Germany, Italy, and Japan were able to rebuild and move past their fascist chapters is because they were forced to rebuild their system from the ground up based on liberal values, not by killing all the Nazis… that’s just historical illiteracy. Things like secularism, democracy, freedom of speech, rule of law, equality of opportunity, and most importantly, check and balances is what transformed those societies into the advanced and open nations that they are today.
In America’s case, that’s what’s missing. There is no accountability at any level. The checks and balances that used to be there aren’t being applied anymore. The branches of government aren’t keeping each other in check, the constitution isn’t being respected, the economy isn’t being regulated, the people are largely apathetic to the abuses of power, laws aren’t applied universally, and opportunity is not given equally. The lack of accountability erodes trust in the country and its intuitions, which just fuels more distrust creating a vicious cycle. This isn’t an issue that can be solved overnight by killing people or destroying things. It’s a multifaceted issue that requires education, great coordination efforts, and a politically active public… which unfortunately a lot of people don’t find sexy enough of a problem or solution to do something about it and so we’re stuck with ideas like yours for the time being.
Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ah I see, you were looking to the long term. I see your points. However, killing them is the accountability and we’ll keep doing so untill they accept jail instead. It is the punishment for what they have done. I’m willing to settle for jail. But I don’t know about the rest of the world. Because remember they are killing us because it hurt thier bottom line and we’re undesirable. They are choosing to be evil. There is no good justification for thier actions. I won’t fight you on the needing new systems part. But I will fight you on the hierarchy bs. It may be “nature” but, we do things that go against nature all the time to benifit others. Vaccination, antibiotics, gmos, and other similar items. Going down that nature argument is a slippery slope that leads directly into thinking that others are lesser, the lie that you and the right belive. I don’t see billionaires as lesser, I see them as a threat to all that we hold dear and because they are not lesser or greater, they can be stopped. We are all squishy and a quasar could have said fuck you 1000’s of years ago and a cosmic death ray could kill us all any moment. However, the billionaire threat is something we can do something about. We can’t kill a quasar, but we can kill monsters that seek to kill innocent humans on the basis of superiority and race.
“What death toll is good enough to satisfy you?” the number of deaths to that provides a deteriant to prevent any one from having that much power again. And that number, will be surprisingly low. Mark my words. Especially if we kill them in ways that they beg for death and make them stay alive through every ounce of pain they have caused. Like shoving them through the Jaunt… awake.
You will be useful in the end, you will be one of the few that will be a guardian of the innocent. You will be the one who defends Trump voters to make sure that those rightfully and deeply angry victims of the rich’s crimes against humanity don’t attack the foolish and brainwashed. Good on you. Keep it up.
My wrath is only interested in those who chose to do evil and have been verified to not have the long term health of humanity in mind. You are right that more rich people will replace them, but, if those rich that replace are not evil and do things that truly benifit humanity and are looser with thier wallets and willing to be accountable, then maybe, just maybe we can have a better world. Untill then, death to evil rich and thier loyal servants.
We want the same thing, the end to evil and a happy life for all. And using history as a lense, the system changes came about only after a large number of deaths. Im proposing to limit death to those who are rich, racist, and currently hold the reigns of power for evil. Simple as that.