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• WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Petit bourgeois? Our money is all in our house and in retirement assets that are just America’s poor excuse for a pension system. If we’re petit bourgeois, so is every retired school teacher that’s worked long enough to earn a pension.

  Petit bourgeois refers to people that have to work but also control their own means of production. Classically this meant artisans, tradesmen, shop owners, etc. People who aren’t having their labor exploited, but also still have to work.

  In our careers, we’ve almost always worked regular salary jobs. We’re not immune to job loss. We do not own the means of production. We’ve had our labor surplus siphoned off by employers our whole careers.

  That’s the whole point of this discussion. Even most millionaires are just working class people trying to achieve a little bit of stability in their lives.

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  • hamid@crazypeople.online ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Owning the means of production is the capitalist and bourgeois class of which you are below and do the functional work for, the petit bourgeois are professionals like yourself. .8% of the world has a net worth over a million dollars. You are quite literally in the global 1%

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    • AppleTea@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You are saying that capitalists own the means of production, while “little capitalists” don’t.

      I don’t think its useful to lump in high-income professional work with the low end of capital accumulation. The sums may overlap, but the actual class interests don’t, at least not entirely. Good analysis should recognize the distinctions here.

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    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You can have whatever definition you want. But for me, working class means just that - a person that has earned their bread through the work of their own hands, not through the exploitation of the labor of others, through rent-seeking, or from inheritance.

      I’m sure you can cite plenty of theory, but frankly, I don’t care. I prefer a definition of the term centered in lived experience. If you go off raw wealth, you just end up classifying entire nations as working class or bourgeois, at which point the term loses all meaning.

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    • amorpheus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You are quite literally in the global 1%

      That’s true for a lot of people in “first world” countries. One is ahead of billions of poor people basically for existing.

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    • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think you’re thinking of the professional managerial class.

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      • hamid@crazypeople.online ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The PMC is part of the petit bourgeois in modern society. White Americans are for the most part not part of the working class or global proliteriat since their material conditions are based on the exploitation of the labor from where I live. Read Settlers

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