Comment on So Austistici/Inventati just got designated as a "global terrorist organisation" by the Trump administration, what do I do now?

• Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Google provides search results for everything under the sun, legal or not. AWS is used by real terrorists. Microsoft Azure is used in genocides. Palantir is used to prop up the surveillance state. Meta advertises child porn. X is providing communication services for far right groups. I do not see them being designated a terrorist group - providing infrastructure for communication is not the same as being a terrorist. If you can’t differentiate that, you are either brainwashed or a fascist yourself. Be ashamed, if you are even able to.

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  • creamfresh@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    this condescending cringy language is why they hate us

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    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They hate us because they are fascists and hate is their core concept. And we’ve seen how much of a fuck they give when we try to converse with them on equal ground over the last decades. Never forget what Sartre said:

      Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

      Discourse with a fascist is useless in the vast majority of cases. What isn’t useless is to show the inhumanity, selectivity and selfishness of their language when shown in a public forum. Note how they started acting after Walz started naming these people “weird”. They don’t cope well with being shown to be what they really are. Chastising them for being inhuman drekheads and naming things as they are is not “cringy”, it is an imperative.

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      • carrylex@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They hate us because they are fascists

        Discourse with a fascist is useless

        Ok so everyone is a facist in your opinion… and therefore discussion with everyone is useless.

        Idk but that sounds like you have schizophrenia to me.

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  • carrylex@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Google provides search results for everything under the sun, legal or not

    Incorrect. Certain entries can be delisted. Google is e.g. using lumendatabase.org for that.

    I have no idea what this discussion has to do with e. g. Planatir as they don’t provide hosted services to users.

    To stay on the topic: non of these services explicitly allow or endorse terroristic content on their platform.

    If you can’t differentiate that, you are either brainwashed or a fascist yourself

    Such nice words. If everyone is a facist nobody is.

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    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      By default they list everything. You can contact them and remove stuff, but by default all the smut, trash and bullshit of the web gets indexed. A/I would remove illegal content too, but this wasn’t even tried. Don’t deflect.

      Palantir provides infrastructure, same as the others. They fit well, especially when viewed from the perspective of who you are allowed to provide services to on basis of ideology.

      A/I also do not explicitly allow or endorse terroristic content. They provide infrastructure for communication to people, same as any other hoster or mail provider. Only difference is their antifascistic stance and that they have been repeatedly the target of repressive actions.

      And no, only the people who attack antifascist infrastructure based on the words of a nazi government - You know, the currrent US administration - are fascists or fascist bootlickers. Need examples?

      -Heil Hitlering Musk (just to start off with something graphic) -Hegseths removal of women and non-white people from positions of power in the armed forces -Trumps fawning over his “good relations” with every dictator on the planet -The US voting together with Israel and fucking North Korea in the UN to prevent condemnation of the aggression of Israel in the West Bank -Ex-Kristi Noems restructuring of ICE and border authorities (forgot their 3-letter-acronym) into the equivalent of the SS, which is being used to stick people with the wrong skin color - sometimes even ignoring citizenship or protected status, while ignoring court orders - into concentration camps before transporting them to autocratic states to dump them into CECOT regardless of being guilty of a crime, and to shoot protesters and PoC -Vance’s endorsement of groups like the AfD, Orban et. al (AfD has been recognized as an extreme-right organization by the authorities in Germany -The reconstruction of the DOJ to serve and protect the executive and ignoring orange fuhrers pedophilia -The infiltration of the supreme court by christofascists -The blackmailing of TV networks which have comedians critical of Trump on air using the FCC, treatening to pull their licence -The misuse of military assets for PR stunts involving Kid Rock and iBrainworm Kennedy -The abduction of a foreign head of state to enrich Trump and his buddies -The witchhunt on minorities like somalians in Minnesota, drag queens and trans people nationwide -The ignorance of the resulting rise in violence and even murders of PoC and democrats by far-right groups, because it is a positive thing for them - other countries would have started organized action against this amount of far-right terror. -The designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization (do you realize who tho only group which sees Antifa as terrorists? I´ll let you in on a secret: the only people who perceive antifa as terrorists are fascists) -The assault on public education at large and the attempt at rewriting history, trying to color slavery as something positive for PoC -The bullying of every ally the US ever had on the international stage, similar to how Hitler started bullying the countries surrounding Germany in the leadup to WW2 -The threats of invasion, annexation and exposure of long-term allies to enemy aggression

      I could go on far longer, but i do not want to waste more time at you. If you are just a brainwashed, lost soul, stop watching the crap Youtube and Meta are throwing in your face, you are too easily influenced to discern the difference between neonazi propaganda and reality. If you are a true believer in that shit, my condolences go to the part of your family that doesn’t want to have contact with you anymore (probably your kids and ex-wife), and the rest of what i would put here is intentionally self-censored, but you will probably get the gist.

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      • carrylex@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Im not going to read that schizophrenic manifesto. Learn how to communicate properly with people and don’t tell me that a certain US president lives in your walls and there are Nazis on the moon.

        Have a nice day.

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• WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  These guys knowingly provide hosting infrastructure for people

  • sabotaging rail systems across France, Italy, Germany, and the Netherlands
  • sabotaging the Transalpine Pipeline (TAL)
  • doing multiple arson attacks and acts of sabotage against Germany’s rail and energy infrastructure (probably referring to “Vulkangruppe”)

  Polictical ideology is irrelevant when you knowingly provide a platform for terrorists you will end up in legal trouble.

  there is a legal procedure that should happen then, not an immediate takedown! trump’s puppets should contact the Italian authorities, get court approval to request data, if they don’t comply then get the court to seize hardware, or whatever else they do before that. did any of that happen here?

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  • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, it didn’t, because A/I hasn’t broken any laws, just as google doesn’t break any law when indexing neonazi propaganda that is illegal in germany. A/I has been under legal attack more than once, and it is very obvious that it didn’t work, because nothing they do is illegal.

    Designating someone as a terrorist in a country where the law and justice mean something should need a previous sentencing for a crime that gives a legal basis for such a designation (aka planning or executing attacks, murders, blackmail, you know, the stuff the current US administration is very guilty of). This designation is the equivalent to sentencing someone to life in prison without any legal defense; the US executive took the place of Jury, Judge and Executioner all at once.

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