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I use a degoogled Fairphone. No money going to Google when I bought it, no data going to Google while I use it. You can also buy Fairphones new without Google Android.

more harmful than even throwing a couple bucks back at Google directly for hardware that will probably end up costing them more money than it makes them when you remove all their spyware.

This seems delusional. Even if they don’t run on huge profits from selling their devices you end up supporting their market dominance.

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artyom@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Even if they don’t run on huge profits from selling their devices you end up supporting their market dominance.

This seems delusional. Google does not enjoy any hardware “market dominance”. They make up just over 1% of the hardware market.

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- cabbage@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  And yet they have the entire industry in the palm of their hand.
  
  For me it’s a no-brainer. I don’t buy products from Google, Amazon, Musk, Zuckerberg, or anyone else who obviously want to do me harm. Any path towards a better world sold to me by the people who are busy destroying the current one will be treated with immense scepticism.
  
  I don’t see much point arguing further why I wouldn’t buy my privacy respecting hardware from Google or de facto Flock. We probably have different priorities.
  
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  - artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I don’t buy products from Google, Amazon, Musk, Zuckerberg, or anyone else who obviously want to do me harm
    
    So you live in a cabin in the woods?
    
    We probably have different priorities.
    
    Absolutely we do. I care more about privacy and security than I do about throwing a few bucks at Google’s hardware division.
    
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    cabbage@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I care more about privacy and security than I do about throwing a few bucks at Google’s hardware division.
    
    And I’m more worried about surveillance capitalism, the rise of fascism, attacks on software freedom, the unsustainable exploitation of natural resources, and modern day slavery than I am about extremely targeted local security threats. But I also respect that others have different threat models. Some journalists and community organizers in [aspiring] dictatorships need higher security standards than I do, and they are only able to meet these standards because enthusiasts choose to make it a priority.
    
    I live in Europe, and I don’t find it very difficult to avoid overly evil shit. I wouldn’t travel to the US, and if I did I wouldn’t want to bring any personal electronics with me.
    
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