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While there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism yadda yadda there’s still degrees of bad. I would not buy from a company who is actively building the infrastructure of the fascist surveillance state. By Google phone here I meant a Google brand phone, not a phone that comes with Google Android. Buying a Google Pixel second hand is good obviously.

Basically I think it’s worth trying to avoid buying things from people who want to do you harm, and when compromises have to be made it’s still worth settling for less evil. Motorola and Google are not that.

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artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Basically I think it’s worth trying to avoid buying things from people who want to do you harm

There is no option like that. The most ethical hardware option is probably Fairphone but they’re still ultimately selling you spy devices that will phone all your data back to Google, which is far more harmful than even throwing a couple bucks back at Google directly for hardware that will probably end up costing them more money than it makes them when you remove all their spyware.

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- Tehdastehdas@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Fairphones are sold with /e/OS too. It’s almost entirely deGoogled.
  
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- cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  I use a degoogled Fairphone. No money going to Google when I bought it, no data going to Google while I use it. You can also buy Fairphones new without Google Android.
  
  more harmful than even throwing a couple bucks back at Google directly for hardware that will probably end up costing them more money than it makes them when you remove all their spyware.
  
  This seems delusional. Even if they don’t run on huge profits from selling their devices you end up supporting their market dominance.
  
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  - artyom@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    
    Even if they don’t run on huge profits from selling their devices you end up supporting their market dominance.
    
    This seems delusional. Google does not enjoy any hardware “market dominance”. They make up just over 1% of the hardware market.
    
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    cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    And yet they have the entire industry in the palm of their hand.
    
    For me it’s a no-brainer. I don’t buy products from Google, Amazon, Musk, Zuckerberg, or anyone else who obviously want to do me harm. Any path towards a better world sold to me by the people who are busy destroying the current one will be treated with immense scepticism.
    
    I don’t see much point arguing further why I wouldn’t buy my privacy respecting hardware from Google or de facto Flock. We probably have different priorities.
    
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