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CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 day agoYou sou d very sure of yourself, and yet also insecure with your harshness. It’s almost like you have an attachment to your desired logical outcome, but you can’t actually face any facts that explore other possibilities. I wish you the best and I’m sure you mean well, but maybe try to be a bit more open minded? Proof of innovation is all the innovation that the western capitalist countries have achieved. Much of it is irrelevant, but such is the way of science and technology - it’s a trial and error process. China has specifically copied the US capitalist model to create technological innovation. But I’m guessing you’ll just insult me for pointing such things out.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Would you like to provide any?
You used the word twice in your definition which is unmeasurable and vague. What is your metric for comparison?
And there’s the deflection.
You are insulting yourself by confusing vapid bullshit with evidence of anything. You insult those around you with your simple minded repeating of the party line. You have demonstrated no research, a lack of basic mathmatical literacy, applied no critical thinking all while being grossly overconfident in your pre-existing conclusions based on nothing but hot air.
You are still welcome to prove me wrong but you’re going to need something tangible, not just repeated Ayn Rand mantras.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Have you noticed the internet? That’s western innovation. There are lots of other examples all around you from the (gmo) food you eat, the medicines you take, the media you consume. There are also many Chinese companies that are now doing very well with renewable tech and EVs - the innovation for these is came from the ownership and competition when the introduction of capitalistic concepts were allowed and encouraged in China.
That’s the point. It’s not a deflection. Capitalism works to encourage innovation. You call it a deflection because what - it deflects the point you are tenuously grasping to try and make? In contrast, communism fails when people just follow the system based on outdated technology because there’s no incentive to find a better way. Obviously some innovation occurred in other systems, but it has to be legislated and managed specifically, whereas by rewarding investment in innovation by allowing ownership has clearly helped speed innovation. That you might argue otherwise is laughable. There are plenty of downsides to capitalism; it’s hilarious that you are fighting the one clear benifit of it.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You still have not provided a metric that can be used for any basis of comparison. I can play that game too!
You mean the computing project that is built on fundamentally anarchist ideas that is currently being appropriated and destroyed by capitalist interests?
You mean the field of science pioneered by Nikolay Vladimirovich Timofeev-Ressovsky in fascist Germany and expanded on his return to the USSR?^1^
I live in a capitalist country. I can not afford medicine.
I can tell that’s the media that you seem to exclusively consume, but that is far from the universal experience you think it is.
This is not the contradiction you think it is, look into it more.
It is deflecting and this is the thought terminating cliche I called before you used it.
China is communist when it’s convenient for your position and capitalist when it’s inconvenient? Define your terms and stop with the goalpost moving. I defined metrics for 2 of your arguments which you susequently immediately dropped and deflected to some other cliche. Your turn.
By what metric do you compare?
^1 I am intentionally misrepresenting some things here, but surprise me and demonstrate some research skills.^
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s so funny that you are the exact cliche and unsubstantiated claim generator that you project on me. Ah well, you enjoy your closed bubble, I’m not bothered enough to help you any more. I’ll let you have the last word now.