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Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

I have a number of thoughts.

I have a Gab account, and I hate how Gab has been treated. It seems like Andrew is a good guy. However, he is blamed for causing the Charlottesville incident. He shouldn't be blamed for what users do. But he is shut off from using payment processors because Visa and others consider his site a haven for hate speech and terrorism.

Now, I'd love for all the right-wing and free speech hosts to form a huge portal site like Yahoo! and Google. However, also being a realist, this doesn't seem to be the time for this. Networking with Torbes, for instance, would not help the financial side of things.

Less censorship would be nice, but folks would still try to dox those who post what they find offensive, and illegal stuff would have to be removed.

I've wondered, if one truly wanted a right-wing or pro-white space, if charging an application fee and running criminal checks would be the way to go. Some idiot may join whatever site, commit violence, and get the site taken down or get the site demonetized. So one needs to have a way to screen for knuckleheads. There are often ways to scan for disruptors. If they seem too gung-ho about a cause, that can be a red flag.

It would be nice to have a site where nothing shows up on the web and things are somewhat private. Or even creating a site that requires a special browser to view it. I've wondered about using P2P tech for this sort of thing.

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squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

if charging an application fee and running criminal checks would be the way to go

doubt many people would sign up for it, but someone could try it

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- Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  True, but I'd be more concerned about quality than quantity. To me, having millions of users to have a large segment of them wanting to take the country or the site down the crapper is not the way to go.
  
  I was meaning background checks more in terms of specific types of comments/posts. There are decent Patriots out there who are not interested in violence. If you don't have a way to cull out disruptors, agitators, and plants, then you can't have a place for the Patriots since the outsiders would infiltrate and try to frame all Patriots as bad. So if one wanted even a pro-white (not white supremacist, Nazi, white nationalist, or white separatism) space, opponents will try to find a way to bring it down. So if you have a place for even healthy "white pride," it might be wise to find a way to vet them. So if anyone has weapons charges, aggravated assault charges, discon charges without a good explanation, etc., they probably should not be allowed into such a space. And even the other details about crimes would be helpful. If they were charged with disorderly conduct and were a part of some known radical group while charged, I wouldn't want them on my site, and particularly not in places that go against their ideology. And some states have felony disorderly conduct laws that include disrupting burial services, religious services or interfering with reproductive health services, etc. So don't want folks who start anti-gay or race riots at funerals.
  
  I'm still mostly spitballing and thinking.
  
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masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
P2P databases would be good. I probably should work on that eventually.

I'm not interested in hosting white nationalist content. Im not a white nationalist. I love hanging out in China town. Im just interested in allowing the most freedom possible while not turning away users.

Getting a little black pilled on it. It might be worth while to have a instance that turns away leftest ideologies. Just so we can build a base of good users. That would need a big talk with all the users here though.

Anyway the exact formula I have not figured out yet. Even gab isn't really free speech. They allow Nazi content but ban antifa stuff pretty sure. Even if its not in their terms of service.

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- Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
  I said pro-white, not WN or Nazism, but I gave that more as an example and was thinking more generally.
  
  As for Antifa, I'd say they are a terrorist group, so I see no violation of free speech if you disallow groups that have inherently violent ideologies. Just talking about making America great is not in itself terrorism or violence. But hosting a group that sprays bleach or acid at the cops and teaches how to use lasers to permanently blind the opposition should be a no-no anywhere.
  
  Yeah, I'm just spit-balling.
  
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  - Esperantist@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Having met a bunch of self-identified antifa people I disagree about them. It's a nebulous label which isn't exclusively self-applied, much like the label of WN or Nazi, and as such there's no "quality control" on who is or isn't antifa. Anyone can call themselves antifa, or be called antifa. Ideologically there's no requirement for violence, although plenty of them are certainly prone to it, and it doesn't seem right to blanket a diverse set of views as terrorist. I hate to use the slippery slope argument because generally they're pretty weak, but it really is a slippery slope. Without a formally agreed upon definition, you could basically designate any leftist as a terrorist this way.
    
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    Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Hell, call them all terrorists. If they don't like it, then stop calling the rest of us Nazis and fascists.
    
    As far as I am concerned, nearly every Leftist is a terrorist and deserves to be treated as such.
    
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  - goldenballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    Surely just being anti-left is the most inclusive of all...?
    
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    Spotted_Lady@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
    With all due respect, I was speaking within a specific context to a specific person with a response tailored just to them. And if you go further up, you'd see I was speaking of a hypothetical place, not the direction of this site.
    
    My point is that if one wants a pro-white equality site (not Nazi shit and other degeneracy), they should have that right as a matter of principle. Period. They shouldn't be forced to be inclusive or have "diversity."
    
    I apologize if this comes across too strongly.
    
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