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JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoI hear what you are saying and understand it. I want to agree with it to. The only thing for me with punishments that severe is that you catch accidentals at a way higher rate, and it becomes super easy to ruin someone’s life as a corrupt law officer or whatever other position.
I do think there is a probably a way to handle it that’s not life ruining but I don’t really want to delve into it that far atm. Besides that though, forfeiture of a license is just forfeiture of a license. That won’t stop people from driving without one. Especially if they need to get to a job to survive. I get that they make you angry, but extreme punishments like that tend to make life impossible or overly onerous to live and will just encourage and enable more risky behaviors. It comes into the cruel and unusual punishment territory.
And you can’t expect people to behave better if you make life extremely harder to live. This isn’t dark souls lol. You have to find a balanced approach. Some kind of correctional support should be in place with a strong but not life ending punishment. I do agree that most of the time our punishments now for issues stemming from drunkenness are too lenient. Especially in the cases where drunk drivers kill someone else. The slap on the wrist for DUI related deaths is a slap in the face to the victims and their families.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This is slightly pie in the sky situation as far as correct punishment and corruption goes. I don’t think"accidentally" being called drunk happens that often, and there should probably be a neutral third party for confirmation and such.
But I’d much rather fuck some idiot’s life up than continue to let risky drivers ruin safety for everyone else. Maybe allow them to get it back after completing some stringent class, and have even higher consequences if they do it again.
I dunno about how to fix the cop problem exactly, as we’ve got bigger corruption problems to deal with right now, and capitalism is a bigger threat than the drunkest driver. But once you intentionally (and yes, drunk actions count) cause mortal danger on the road, just give up being independent.
We don’t have infrastructure for it, but it should be on the to do list.
The short version is, consequences should be way too scary to even potentially run afoul of, at least in a world without tyrants and shit. Just don’t be a dangerous, negligent person. It’s really not too much to ask. If someone thinks it is, then they’re probably one of the negligent ones.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I agree, and I think it’s a reasonable expectation. We might not entirely agree on how to get there but I think we both want the same thing of personal responsibility and reasonable behavior.
I don’t drink personally since I’ve seen it destroy lives and don’t trust myself to handle it. But I do know people that have just done dumb people things (both drinking related and not) and have corrected themselves and moved on to better things and behaviors. Some would’ve managed despite a harsh punishment, but some really wouldn’t have and would just have been a bigger problem in the end.
Because of those experiences, I see people resorting to substances as people in need of help and rehab more than ones that need dire punishments. But even with that said, punishments should match the danger one caused. I also definitely agree multi offenders should see escalating punishments though. More especially if they cause damage to more than themselves. It’s one thing to pass out on a sidewalk, another to wreck some signage, or piss on a wall. But it’s another thing entirely to drunkenly drive a car, and yet another to hurt or kill someone else because of your stupid choices.
It’s a difficult line to walk that gives adequate reeducation and mental support, and one that gives punishment on a deserving level and forces a suitable amount of restituionary actions. I agree though that we would need to see some major institutional changes for any of the solutions you and I have talked about to actually work.