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You can’t kill an ideology; you can’t murder fear and tribalism. Your whole righteous fury shtick is promoting dehumanization and genocide.

“Human lives for zio lives” – dude get some help. People are people. Full stop. Every person holds a spectrum of beliefs, good/evil/complicated in multiple dimensions. There are undoubtedly many sadistic evil fucks profiting from and enjoying Israel’s genocide. But, as with any cult, the vast majority have been deluded into thinking that protecting their in-group is the only option.

People who commit atrocities should be punished. People who direct and stoke the flames of genocide should be punished a thousand times more. People who directly aid in these crimes should be judged harshly. But a label, applied on something as nebulous as human thought or circumstance of association, should never be a death sentence.

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cavitationfetishist01@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
you can’t kill an idea

Yes you can. Its not easy, but it can be done. Nothing stopping it from being reinvented, if the circumstances that initially gave rise to it don’t change, but you can kill an idea. Especially a stupid one.

This isn’t an ideology. Its an identity. They’re not the same.

you’re as bad as they are

You’ve never met a zio. You’ve never dined at the table with one. You’ve never heard the songs they teach their young. You do not know what the fuck you’re talking about. You are irresponsible, and I suspect you can only continue acting like this because you do not consider Arabs to be people.
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- stickly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
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  No you can’t. The whole world is watching. You can’t just quietly sweep millions and millions of human lives under the rug and expect everyone to nod along. Sympathy and empathy are inherent human emotions; someone will view them as martyrs, someone will feel remorse.
  
  There is zero evidence that erasure of an idea can be accomplished by brute force. Hell, look at the attempt to wholly dismantle German martial nationalism after WW1 to see the opposite effect at play. You have to deconstruct it on multiple fronts: removal of its loudest advocates, counter messaging, education, remediate material causes, etc…
  
  I mean… Your bright idea to combat a belief system who’s core tenet is a paranoid delusion of extermination is to validate it with attempts at an actual extermination…
  
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  ideology is a ‘coherent system of ideas’ that rely on a few basic assumptions about reality that may or may not have any factual basis. Through this system, ideas become coherent, repeated patterns through the subjective ongoing choices that people make. These ideas serve as the seed around which further thought grows. The belief in an ideology can range from passive acceptance up to fervent advocacy.
  
  So we’re looking at a set of beliefs based around an assumption of ethno-nationalist superiority, which builds up to atrocities such as genocide. Gee whiz, it certainly sounds like zionism is an ideology to me.
  
  Identity is the set of qualities, beliefs, personality traits, appearance, or expressions that characterize a person
  
  Sounds like a strong belief in zionism can be a core part of someone’s identity, but a human being is a complex creature with multiple defining facets. How much of a man is the zionist, how much is the musician, how much is the doctor, how much is the father…
  
  How do you propose to root out these zionists? Ask them politely with a gun to their head? Kill anyone with some Nth degree of relation to known zionists? Polygraphs? The Thing-style blood tests?
  
  How many false positives are acceptable? What percent of eradication is necessary to excise the cancer? What degree of confidence do you need to ensure this mass blood letting will definitively “stop the killing”?
  
  You’ve never…
  
  I have. I have. I have. I know “what the fuck I’m talking about” because this vein of hate and violence is not new and your reaction is not a novel or useful solution. I have strong connections to Arab family and friends and have had these conversations, and I know for a fact they would be ashamed to have any association with your vitriol.
  
  Please see a therapist because these thoughts are both counterproductive and self destructive. It’s clearly an important and (probably) personal topic for you, which is all the more reason to tackle it seriously and not default to your base instincts. There are real and tangible differences you can make to improve the world and none of them start with a baseline of mass murder. It’s not a matter of “taking the high road” or “being better than them”, it’s about taking practical and realistic steps to combat the deeply rooted violence of our civilization.
  
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  - cavitationfetishist01@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    My government has done this multiple times. Often something similar came back. You’re just repeating stories you’ve been told. Go the fuck outside. Open your fucking eyes.
    
    The fascist accuses you of what they are doing so that when you accuse them they can gaslight you. Fuck off with your doing their defensive work. How many more humans will die to try and coddle zio filth?
    
    Okay you’re just opposing based on slave morality now. Tell me when you have a real argument. You’re trying to find arguments to fit your position and going selective readings for things you can contrive to see as supporting your position. Tell me when you have a position of your own to argue for.
    
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    stickly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Bro replied in 2 min and didn’t even read my comment. Deeply unserious.
    
    Go scream into your pillow or something because that’s all you’re doing here while also making a fool of yourself. There’s no logic or coherent thought to your arguments.
    
    Best of luck champ, hope you get well soon 👋
    
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